What Sail to Buy

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Feb 18, 2009
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2 27 SF
We are in need of a new main and use the boat for day sailing.
We are pretty new to sailing.
Currently we have the basics down and want to learn more about trimming the sails. Currently when I adjust things I'm not seeing a lot of difference in the sail shape. I'm thinking this is because we have a very old and stretched out sail. Is this a correct assumption?

There is also the question of what to buy.
We aren't racing
Battens Y/N? 2, 3, 4 ? Full or partial?
Flattening Reef eye?
Is a Cunninghanm eye useful on this size of sail?
We are in the SF bay so the main is reefed alot
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
We are in need of a new main and use the boat for day sailing.
We are pretty new to sailing.
Currently we have the basics down and want to learn more about trimming the sails. Currently when I adjust things I'm not seeing a lot of difference in the sail shape. I'm thinking this is because we have a very old and stretched out sail. Is this a correct assumption?

There is also the question of what to buy.
We aren't racing
Battens Y/N? 2, 3, 4 ? Full or partial?
Flattening Reef eye?
Is a Cunninghanm eye useful on this size of sail?
We are in the SF bay so the main is reefed alot
I like full battens, probably 5 for your sail, flattening reef, cunningham not necessary, alt least two reef points. Check the Doyle sails available on this site.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,079
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
SF Bay Sails

You have a myriad of options, and much depends on how much $$ you have or want to spend.

As far as new sails go, I've written: "...on purchasing new sails. They run the gamut of making your own to the highest priced known to man. Each of us has a different threshold of expectations and satisfaction. With sails, the most important repeated comments are: 1) price and 2) personal service which can only be obtained from a local sail maker. The two are rarely found together."

Your question indicates that you are new to all this, so you may want to do some investigating on the options available to you on various sail makers websites. Some are noted here: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,5035.0.html You can find others through Google, or just read Latitude 38 for the local sail makers.

Unless you have an extremely low stretch (i.e., expensive) main halyard, sailing on San Francisco Bay with its high winds, would indicate that you strongly consider getting a cunningham. I rigged one on our boat - the PO had the grommet on the sail but didn't rig the line. We find it to be necessary here to keep the luff of the main tight without having to resort to tightening the halyard when the main is up - a real pain.

You shouldn't need a flattening reef because you'll want a mainsail that's flat to sail around here.

Battens are really your choice. We have four, and any more than that on a C27 is overkill. A good friend with a C34 like ours has two full, two partial, we have four full, some have none. Battens stop flogging and improve sail shape. They cost...

We have two sets of reef points, and use the first reef literally from April to September. I've used a second reef point only two or three times in the over 25 years I've been sailing here, but it was nice to have. Or I shouldn't have gone out, but I was out and used them. Extra webbing on the clew and tack reef points are helpful, if not mandatory. I had Sail Care add them when I had our mainsail cleaned a few years ago..

You can go for low cost or you can go for local sail makers. Your boat, your choice.

But before you invest in this large outlay, maybe you should spend some more time with what you have. Most Catalina outhauls are pretty useless unless they've been really taken care of. If you use your outhaul, and get it working again, you'll start to see a difference, and you also need to learn to use your traveler and vang.

Our mainsail is 22 years old, and while a bit deep in the belly, we have enough sail shape controls to make it work for us, both cruising and racing a little bit.

You should also consider getting Don Guilette's Sail Shape chart and book, available right on this website, and use his techniques. They are based on a C30 which has pretty much the same sail controls you do on your boat, and do some experimenting before you plop down a lot of $$ on something you are not as familiar with as you will be in a short amount of time as you get to know you boat and improve your skills. Any decision I would have made to replace my sail when I first got our boat in 1998 are completely different than the ones I would make now after using it for 11 years.

Good luck, Stu
 
May 10, 2004
182
Catalina 30 Puget Sound
I wouldn't recommend National Sails. Dirk stiffed me for $50 shipping and the sail that I received is useless. Very poor quality. My recommedation is Sail Warehouse from California. Awesome service and very high quality sails. My full batten main from them has incredible shape after five years. http://thesailwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?page=storeframe.html&cart_id= Check them out before you order. Ask for Jim, he is very familiar with all Catalinas. Sean
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,711
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Re: NSS

I wouldn't recommend National Sails. Dirk stiffed me for $50 shipping and the sail that I received is useless. Very poor quality.

Sorry to hear that about Dirk. I have purchased 8 sails over a ten year period from him and had zero issues. I also consider myself a very picky customer. Dirk has exceeded my expectations and the sails are very high quality.

My recommedation is Sail Warehouse from California. Awesome service and very high quality sails. My full batten main from them has incredible shape after five years. http://thesailwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?page=storeframe.html&cart_id= Check them out before you order. Ask for Jim, he is very familiar with all Catalinas. Sean
It's very interesting to hear you say the quality of Sail Warehouse is "very high quality" yet National Sail Supply has "very poor quality" as both lofts are Rolly Tasker resellers. Unless you ordered a custom made sail for your Catalina 30 the sail most likely came from Rolly Tasker in Phuket, just as Dirk's sails do. Same loft, same materials different dealers..

Here's a quote directly from the Sail Warehouse Site about Tasker sails:

"stock sails are made by Rolly Tasker Sails who are one of the biggest and best sailmakers in the industry
"

A little more on NSS:

Dirk used to work for Rolly Tasker in Phuket and was his general manager at the largest sail loft in the world. He decided to move back to Florida and open his own sail business selling and importing, from Rolly, all his sails.

The sails are made of US woven Challenge sail cloth which is basically the same cloth, coming off the same machines as NorDac, North Sails "proprietary" Dacron. How do I know this? My local sail maker got a batch of Challenge hi modulus and it was accidentally packaged in NorDac wrapping.. Doh.. oops...!

Another thing about Rolly Tasker sails is that they build cruising sails for LOTS and LOTS of the big name companies here in the states. I promised Dirk that I would not disclose who RT builds for, and I don't know them all either, so I won't, but you would be horrified if you knew even a few, trust me.

If you think your small loft is actually building your sail you may be wrong as Dirk & Tasker also supply many local small time guys who sub out the cruising sail business through Dirk.

I ordered a new main this winter for my CS-36 and this was my eighth NSS sail. My sail is triple stitched, my old North is double, my Tasker sail has a solid riveted head board the North does not, my reef points are built to an off shore standard the North sail was not, my tack & clew reinforcements are built for off shore use and my old North are clearly coastal, my batten pockets are more secure, better designed and adjustable, my clew and tack are both hand finished and stitched in UV resistant leather.

Both sails look to have been designed on the same computer system. I'm sure before the North gave up the ghost had a shape similar to the RT sail.

My new sail with top two battens full, draft stripe, logo, 8.3 oz Challenge cloth, two reef points, shipping and a brand new Sunbrella sail cover was $1713.00 delivered. The old North was $3400.00, coastal built, and no sail cover and that was more than ten years ago....

If anyone in Maine is going to be near Falmouth you are welcome to see this sail. I can't speak highly enough of the Rolly Tasker / National Sail Supply quality.

Dirk has the inside scoop and as Rolly's ex general manager (running the largest sail loft in the world) knows a thing or two about the business. I assume, because of this, he gets better pricing than just about any other Tasker dealer but don't know that for sure. What I do know is that I have compared the specs from other US Tasker dealers and Dirk includes more for less..

This is not a one time deal for me I have purchased CD-27 sails C-30 & C-36 sails and now CS-36 sails all have been spot on and incredibly priced.

Like anything companies can make mistakes and no one is perfect.

I would like to know some more specifics of the above case with NSS. Why is the sail useless? What poor quality problems did you find? What were the circumstances around the shipping incident?
 
Feb 18, 2009
11
2 27 SF
Thanks guys.
All very good advise.

I wish we could wait but a pesky tear is pushing us towards the new sail.
This looks like something that would fit the bill at a good price.
http://www.thesailstore.com/catalina-mainsail-p-87.html?osCsid=8ff7abdb539f7cfdf343995a7db096e3[/url]
Anyone see any problems with the specs or the vendor?

Also what's the deal with numbers? I found these guys but don't see a reason to get numbers since we aren't racing.
http://www.ussailing.org/offshore/sailapweb..pdf
 
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