What kind of Stainless is my Stern Pulpit made of?

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May 7, 2011
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I have a 1983 O'Day 23. I am thinking of having my stern pulpit rail modified. (Drop the center top to center middle, then add some middle rails around the outside sections. Basically Pic 2 to roughly Pic 1) What kind of Stainless should I tell the shop the rail is made of? I saw some references in other posts to 316 SS tube. Is that a good guess? Any way to know for sure?

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Chris,
If you go to a marine metal fabricator you'll get a better job with the guess work taken out of it. Just tell them what you want and they'll make it up for you.
The guy that did my stern pulpit was an excellent welder/fabricator and could bend pipe. He built towers for cruisers, rails, and just about anything for boats. He charged me about $230 back then and did an excellent job. He looked at the Mickey Mouse rig that I made up and built a rig that was lighter in weight and more attractive. He rigged the rail so that the upper half that he built was detachable. Looking back now, I should have had him weld it to my rail because later I like it so much that I bolted it and left it on permanent.
If you raise your mast from the stern, you should consider having him make up a rig similar to mine for a mast crutch. You could eliminate the two bars on that stern pulpit and have them add two bales for a short lifeline with a pelican hook along with provisions for the mast crutch hoop. Check out my photo album on this site. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=2744
 

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Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
steel

Chris,
If you go to a marine metal fabricator you'll get a better job with the guess work taken out of it. Just tell them what you want and they'll make it up for you.
The guy that did my stern pulpit was an excellent welder/fabricator and could bend pipe. He built towers for cruisers, rails, and just about anything for boats. He charged me about $230 back then and did an excellent job. He looked at the Mickey Mouse rig that I made up and built a rig that was lighter in weight and more attractive. He rigged the rail so that the upper half that he built was detachable. Looking back now, I should have had him weld it to my rail because later I like it so much that I bolted it and left it on permanent.
If you raise your mast from the stern, you should consider having him make up a rig similar to mine for a mast crutch. You could eliminate the two bars on that stern pulpit and have them add two bales for a short lifeline with a pelican hook along with provisions for the mast crutch hoop. Check out my photo album on this site. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=2744
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You have a production sailboat. I would suggest
that you have chrome plated steel and
not stainless steel.

Ed K
 

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
"You have a production sailboat. I would suggest
that you have chrome plated steel and
not stainless steel.

Ed K"

Wrong!


If my stern rail or any of the rails on my boat were made of chrome plated steel, a magnet would stick to it. Not only that, my electric autopilot would be going haywire when I set it on course and put it on "Automatic." :naughty:
 
Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
Wrong!


If my stern rail or any of the rails on my
boat were made of chrome plated steel, a
magnet would stick to it. Not only that, my
electric autopilot would be going haywire
when I set it on course and put it on
"Automatic." :naughty:[/quote]
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So you are saying that you have chrome
plated stainless steel?

Have you considered chrome plated brass? Or some
alloy where your alledged steel is not 316 or one of the
other stainless steel formulations but enough not to be
noticeably magnetic, but still less expensive than true
stainless?

Yes, plain iron is the most magnetic. When you get
to alloys? Is all stainless non magnetic?

Now look at finish of your stern rails. Highly polished
stainless or chrome plated?

Now to mix it up, read this:

http://www.finishing.com/128/77.shtml

Understand not all stainless is non magnetic and alloys
can be non magnetic.

Humm...

It is often said that stainless steel is stainless steel
forever... that is except when it is welded, even with
stainless steel rods. There are changes because of
the temperatures and curing [tempering] involved.

So, tell us again, what are his stern rails made of?

Ed K
 

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Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
Polished stainless steel

Polished stainless steel.
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So the next question is 'which stainless steel'.

Your Morgan 24 is to me a different base quality
than any O'Day. That is not to say O'Day was not
good and serviceable, but your Morgan company
at time of 24 had a better quality reputation.

Here is interesting comment from same site
as I posted in earlier post:

"... with so much stuff being imported from
China, where counterfeiting and substitution
is rife, your only guarantee of quality is the
USA supplier's name and reputation. This is
especially unfortunate in an age of "meatball
whoring" where the shortsighted CEO's of
many USA companies are licensing their logo/
meatball to third parties to be slapped onto
low quality imported junk in exchange for cash.
I apologize for the crassness of my phrase, but
the word "licensed" looks legitimate and innocent,
whereas my phrase tells it like it actually is :)

Personally, my single best indication of quality
today is to look at the instruction manual or
warranty and see who you are supposed to
contact in the event of difficulty or dissatisfaction.
If it is someone other than the supplier themselves,
it is a very strong indication to me that the company
actually has little to do with the product and is
simply prostituting their logo for cash."

We all know the stern rails were not imported
from China at that time, the point is understanding
'Quality". Even in late 1970's and early 1980's
cheaper and inferior quality were factors. Read some comments about made quality in sailboats by such
writers as Ferenc Mate'.

Ironically some of our repairs exceed the original
quality.

Ed K



 

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Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Wrong!


If my stern rail or any of the rails on my
boat were made of chrome plated steel, a
magnet would stick to it. Not only that, my
electric autopilot would be going haywire
when I set it on course and put it on
"Automatic." :naughty:
- - - - -- - --- - - -- // - - -- --- - - -

So you are saying that you have chrome
plated stainless steel?

Have you considered chrome plated brass? Or some
alloy where your alledged steel is not 316 or one of the
other stainless steel formulations but enough not to be
noticeably magnetic, but still less expensive than true
stainless?

Yes, plain iron is the most magnetic. When you get
to alloys? Is all stainless non magnetic?

Now look at finish of your stern rails. Highly polished
stainless or chrome plated?

Now to mix it up, read this:

http://www.finishing.com/128/77.shtml

Understand not all stainless is non magnetic and alloys
can be non magnetic.

Humm...

It is often said that stainless steel is stainless steel
forever... that is except when it is welded, even with
stainless steel rods. There are changes because of
the temperatures and curing [tempering] involved.

So, tell us again, what are his stern rails made of?

Ed K[/QUOTE]

"Chrome plated" stainless?

this is where it all starts..... someone reads something in print, and because of the lack of experience in the field, its misunderstood or taken out of context.... and rumors get started.
Or, the information is applied in a situation where it only serves to confuse and possibly cause damage to outcome, because the person receiving the information doesnt know any better either.....

Im not saying the information about stainless steel is all wrong, but if you dont know how to use the information, it can be misleading and only adds to the confusion... which doesnt do any good.

the railing will be polished stainless steel.

and chromed over brass is more expensive and wont last a fraction as long as stainless steel..... chromed carbon steel is not an option, but some manufactures make railings that are made of anodized aluminum. but not very common these days....
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
"So you are saying that you have chrome
plated stainless steel?"

The answer to that question is no.
Come on guys, let's not split hairs. My boat has stainless steel rails. If it didn't, the guy who adapted my stern rail and make up my mast crutch to fit it would have told me.
 
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Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
Centerline & Joe

"So you are saying that you have chrome
plated stainless steel?"

The answer to that question is no.
Come on guys, let's not split hairs. My boat has stainless steel rails. If it didn't, the guy who adapted my stern rail and make up my mast crutch to fit it would have told me.
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Joe said, "The guy who adapted my stern rail
and make up my mast crutch to fit it would
have told me."

Come on Joe, you were happy, why should
he burst your bubble. And, did you ask?

As to Centerline why have discussion? It is
February and the pot needs stirring.

Look, we got you into the fray... and maybe
confused you?

Can you tell the difference between chrome
and polished stainless steel?

Have you taken one of those small magnets
to stern rail?

How about one of those metal detectors that
can distinguish metals?

Ed K
 

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
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Joe said, "The guy who adapted my stern rail
and make up my mast crutch to fit it would
have told me."

Come on Joe, you were happy, why should
he burst your bubble. And, did you ask?

As to Centerline why have discussion? It is
February and the pot needs stirring.

Look, we got you into the fray... and maybe
confused you?

Can you tell the difference between chrome
and polished stainless steel?

Have you taken one of those small magnets
to stern rail?

How about one of those metal detectors that
can distinguish metals?

Ed K
You're tying to "Keith" me Ed. You're up to your old tricks. I know you.:D
Thank God it's February. We're almost over the hump right now. :dance:
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
How did you know that I went out to check my stern rail with a magnet the other night?
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Now I'm "catching" on Ed.
Ed does this on purpose to see if he can get a rise out of people, Merlin.

That 1984 O'Day 222 that you told me about was sold. I was told that they got $675.00 for it.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
Yeah, Ed has caught me a couple of times Joe!
Wow, that was a great deal for someone. Hope they put it to good use.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Yeah, Ed has caught me a couple of times Joe!
Wow, that was a great deal for someone. Hope they put it to good use.
I mentioned Keith's name because Ed is always riding that poor guy but Keith always takes it in good stride.

I really don't know if that boat would have been a good deal for someone. You really need to see it up close along with the rudder and there is always the hidden things you don't see unless you're able to let the board down and check it out.

I talked to a lady last week who has a chance to buy a 1983 O'Day 23 with a complete roller trailer for only $800. I saw a picture of this boat and boy, it's a honey of a boat with one exception, the guy has no title for the boat or the trailer. I told her to beware and touch base with the marine registry in her state before she hands this guy any money. I hate to see anyone get ripped off.
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RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
1,505
Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
The sad thing is someone is going to read this thread looking for good information about the way Oday rails are constructed and be more confused than before they clicked on it. Getting a rise out of someone is all good in the off topic area. Probably a horrible idea in a section used as a resource by people new to their Odays.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
The sad thing is someone is going to read this thread looking for good information about the way Oday rails are constructed and be more confused than before they clicked on it. Getting a rise out of someone is all good in the off topic area. Probably a horrible idea in a section used as a resource by people new to their Odays.
You're right Dave.

For anyone who is seeking info on the O'Day 222. Most of the O'Day 222s came through with short upside down "U" shaped stainless steel rails on each side of the boat near the stern. In 1986 the O'Day plant started manufacturing some of their 222s with a full stern rail. I'm told that only twenty of them came through the Fall River O'Day factory with a full stern rail and my boat happened to be one of them. With that said, all the rails on these boats are indeed made of stainless steel.
 

geehaw

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May 15, 2010
231
O-day 25 shoal keel Valdez
Are you sure Joe? Did you check everyone with a magnet? Sorry couldn't resist.
 
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