Thanks to all reply's: Guys, i'm serious here saying that i have gotten more helpfull info from this forum this week than what i did just surfing the net blind in a year! Also thanks to all the niagara region ppl that sent me there boats for sale-that includes the guy from the buffalo area-where there prices just can't be beat-(guys i mean it, compareable boats state side are almost 1/2 of what they ask here)anyways, im heading over to La-salle park,then over to the bronte yaught club this morning to look at some boats-if you have been following this thread you may have seen the 27 foot catalina-well anyways im looking for something similar with all the extra's-one that is sailable now-no work needed-im looking at 27-30feet-must have bimini, stove, head, motor-must need little-wanted for all kinds of day and weekends on lake ontario-must be relatively fast-must be able to make it to the south when im ready to go-prob next summer-it looks like im looking for a boat that will stay on water because this trailering sounds like a bit of a pain and when i want to go-i want just go-i have around 25k but will need a slip so that has to be considered-also taxes have to be considered-i like catalina's CS's C&C's i thought i liked hunters but dont know now-will prob stay away from them and hope this doesnt spark a big discussion-so all help was appreciated and all future help is welcome-cmon guys-get me in a boat this week-i have 2 weeks holidays starting now and am in no rush to decide-i just want a good boat and i want to be in it in 2 weeks or less from today maybe talking to some of you guys on the radio that are from this area-ok-keep em coming-kevan
what boat should i buy? PART 2
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Two weeks and you're not in a rush?
That sounds like a rush to me. Why not buy a house next week? there's no rush, it just has to need no work.
A sailboat that needs a little work is a new one. It sounds like you are rushing the purchase of your second home (boat). I looked for over a year before I decided on mine. And it had everything I wanted. and it still needed work. And it still needs work. And it's been almost four years and still in need. Good luck.
Keep it up,
Ctskip
That sounds like a rush to me. Why not buy a house next week? there's no rush, it just has to need no work.
A sailboat that needs a little work is a new one. It sounds like you are rushing the purchase of your second home (boat). I looked for over a year before I decided on mine. And it had everything I wanted. and it still needed work. And it still needs work. And it's been almost four years and still in need. Good luck.
Keep it up,
Ctskip
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They are all good depending on how well they were
cared for by PO.
Which ever boat you decide to buy make sure you get it checked
out by some one who really knows boats.
Know matter what boat you buy used will need fixing or some
kind of upgrades.
Get the best boat you can get for the money,best price boat.
Nick
They are all good depending on how well they were
cared for by PO.
Which ever boat you decide to buy make sure you get it checked
out by some one who really knows boats.
Know matter what boat you buy used will need fixing or some
kind of upgrades.
Get the best boat you can get for the money,best price boat.
Nick
contradiction
ctskip: it does sound a little bit of a contradiction doesn't it-thats what i though when i hit send-the first thing i thought of when i hit send was my kids and how proud they were when dad made a mistake in pronuciation or grammar-then i though "you know-the same thing will happen here that happens with the kids-then i though-GEEZ-i should have mentioned this has been going on for more than 2 years now-ok ctskip-sorry i ommited that fact-thanks for your reply-kevan
ctskip: it does sound a little bit of a contradiction doesn't it-thats what i though when i hit send-the first thing i thought of when i hit send was my kids and how proud they were when dad made a mistake in pronuciation or grammar-then i though "you know-the same thing will happen here that happens with the kids-then i though-GEEZ-i should have mentioned this has been going on for more than 2 years now-ok ctskip-sorry i ommited that fact-thanks for your reply-kevan
I bought a house with a 5 day shopping
window. Nancy and I each made a list of ten traits that we considered must haves and ten traits that we considered must NOT haves. Then we reconcilled out lists to just ten positive and ten negative traits. These traits were in the CAN NOT be changed class, everything else was open for consideration. Then we went house hunting. It made rejections much easier and it made "can be considered" choices easier. We bought a house that met our criteria and we wondered at the time if our criteria was flawed. Cosmetically the house was bloddy awful. I tell this because it helps to keep you objective at a time when emotion can be a mind cloging factor. We still live in the house that we bought by this approach in 1971 and we are pleased with it.
window. Nancy and I each made a list of ten traits that we considered must haves and ten traits that we considered must NOT haves. Then we reconcilled out lists to just ten positive and ten negative traits. These traits were in the CAN NOT be changed class, everything else was open for consideration. Then we went house hunting. It made rejections much easier and it made "can be considered" choices easier. We bought a house that met our criteria and we wondered at the time if our criteria was flawed. Cosmetically the house was bloddy awful. I tell this because it helps to keep you objective at a time when emotion can be a mind cloging factor. We still live in the house that we bought by this approach in 1971 and we are pleased with it.
ctskip
ctskip: hey-just wondering where i go to take part in these free sail rides-i cant be part of a crew because-im 50-bad back-bad knees-not really interested in taking orders from a stranger-ok-not really into taking suggestions from anyone! not interested in being part of a crew-had to make myself clear there-im very set in my ways-how would one go about putting these fine qualities into words-now i know you think this is a smart ass answer-but your reply was too-ive posted here all week and now with your reply ive recieved only 2 inserts that were not welcome-so-thaks but no thanks
ctskip: hey-just wondering where i go to take part in these free sail rides-i cant be part of a crew because-im 50-bad back-bad knees-not really interested in taking orders from a stranger-ok-not really into taking suggestions from anyone! not interested in being part of a crew-had to make myself clear there-im very set in my ways-how would one go about putting these fine qualities into words-now i know you think this is a smart ass answer-but your reply was too-ive posted here all week and now with your reply ive recieved only 2 inserts that were not welcome-so-thaks but no thanks
ross
thanks ross: i' too did the same thing on the first house we bought-it was a karate dojo at the time-and it was just one big room-we offered 35k-yes 35k and he took it-within 2 weeks we were putting up the studs for the new floorplan-ill be taking this post off-just letting you know-anything can be done and done right-be real carefull though-kevan
thanks ross: i' too did the same thing on the first house we bought-it was a karate dojo at the time-and it was just one big room-we offered 35k-yes 35k and he took it-within 2 weeks we were putting up the studs for the new floorplan-ill be taking this post off-just letting you know-anything can be done and done right-be real carefull though-kevan
thats close to how we did it
Things like fireplace and garage were important items. Just as bimini and stove and AC and refrigerator are important for the boat. One thing that we did was to create a value rating to the individual items. Not all biminis are created equal just as all fireplaces aren't. Just as all pools aren't equal. We rated the important "top ten" items on a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being the best.Some items I liked better than the wife and some not. Which ever house/ boat gave us the highest rating thats the one we bought. We looked harder for the lake than we did the house. Texas was a given, as the inlaws are here.
Things like fireplace and garage were important items. Just as bimini and stove and AC and refrigerator are important for the boat. One thing that we did was to create a value rating to the individual items. Not all biminis are created equal just as all fireplaces aren't. Just as all pools aren't equal. We rated the important "top ten" items on a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being the best.Some items I liked better than the wife and some not. Which ever house/ boat gave us the highest rating thats the one we bought. We looked harder for the lake than we did the house. Texas was a given, as the inlaws are here.
thats a good idea ctskip
but there are so many important upgrades and addon.s i wouldnt know how! inexperience i would think! kevan
but there are so many important upgrades and addon.s i wouldnt know how! inexperience i would think! kevan
i want too
but the skys are gonna open up again-wev'e had alot of real bad storms this past week
but the skys are gonna open up again-wev'e had alot of real bad storms this past week
You're making a mistake by not considering Hunters
Kevan:
Hunter's are great boats. If you do not consider Hunters in your mix you will leave a lot of nice boats with great prices on the table.
One boat you may be able to find is the Hunter 31 & 34 in your price range. Don't know that you find a better boat for a $25-30k price range.
Check out the boat reviews on any Hunter that you may look at. You will find any potential problem right there.
Kevan:
Hunter's are great boats. If you do not consider Hunters in your mix you will leave a lot of nice boats with great prices on the table.
One boat you may be able to find is the Hunter 31 & 34 in your price range. Don't know that you find a better boat for a $25-30k price range.
Check out the boat reviews on any Hunter that you may look at. You will find any potential problem right there.
stevedion
i was ok with hunters-but some reviews said there very slow but reliable-the i guess a rudder fell off one and someone coulda been killed-but they compare them to edsel's slow lunkers that need alot of work-thats my take on then from forums and reviews and just personal comments from places like this
i was ok with hunters-but some reviews said there very slow but reliable-the i guess a rudder fell off one and someone coulda been killed-but they compare them to edsel's slow lunkers that need alot of work-thats my take on then from forums and reviews and just personal comments from places like this
You can tell a new sail from a old one
can't you? You know raw teak from finished teak? a wet bilge from a dry one?
Just list the top items you need, then list the items you want. Check for similarities. Now you have your list. Roller furling? In mast furling? Heat and air? propane verses alcohol? gas verses diesel? full verses swing verses wing? Two cabin layout? shower? hot water? water pressure? tiller verses wheel? cockpit layout? headroom? wood verses steel verses fiberglass. Walk thru transom? Split rear stay? The list is almost endless. Make your list of what is MOST important for YOU and rate the items on your list for each boat. With 1 being in need of replacement and 10 being new. Only you can do this. Good luck
Keep it up,
Ctskip
can't you? You know raw teak from finished teak? a wet bilge from a dry one?
Just list the top items you need, then list the items you want. Check for similarities. Now you have your list. Roller furling? In mast furling? Heat and air? propane verses alcohol? gas verses diesel? full verses swing verses wing? Two cabin layout? shower? hot water? water pressure? tiller verses wheel? cockpit layout? headroom? wood verses steel verses fiberglass. Walk thru transom? Split rear stay? The list is almost endless. Make your list of what is MOST important for YOU and rate the items on your list for each boat. With 1 being in need of replacement and 10 being new. Only you can do this. Good luck
Keep it up,
Ctskip
Kevan, Sailboats are slow! some just aren't as fat as others.
Read this link for some more insight on boat types and speed.
Read this link for some more insight on boat types and speed.
sounds like you are listening to Sailnet chat Kevin
This is almost definitely a reference from one or more of the folks who sit on Sailnet who thinks it makes them sound authoritative by criticizing behind some silly screen name anonymity.
SailorKevin's quote"
"was ok with hunters-but some reviews said there very slow but reliable-then i guess a rudder fell off one and someone could have been killed-but they compare them to edsel's slow lunkers"
This is almost definitely a reference from one or more of the folks who sit on Sailnet who thinks it makes them sound authoritative by criticizing behind some silly screen name anonymity.
SailorKevin's quote"
"was ok with hunters-but some reviews said there very slow but reliable-then i guess a rudder fell off one and someone could have been killed-but they compare them to edsel's slow lunkers"
I hate to tell you....
Kevan: I hate to tell you but there isn't a Catalina or Beneteau of the same size that my Hunter 31 would not outrun.
When you start hearing about the stories of the interiors of the older Catalina's pulling up from the cabin sole you won't want one of them either.
When you hear about the bilsters that the older Swans get you won't want one of them either.
Every mfg. has had their problems. The more of a product they make the more problems they have. Most of the boats you are looking at have had any problems that are going to show up has happened and been repaired.
Kevan: I hate to tell you but there isn't a Catalina or Beneteau of the same size that my Hunter 31 would not outrun.
When you start hearing about the stories of the interiors of the older Catalina's pulling up from the cabin sole you won't want one of them either.
When you hear about the bilsters that the older Swans get you won't want one of them either.
Every mfg. has had their problems. The more of a product they make the more problems they have. Most of the boats you are looking at have had any problems that are going to show up has happened and been repaired.
I forgot to paste the link.
And nobody said anthing. *sry
http://www.chuckpaine.com/voyaging.html
And nobody said anthing. *sry
http://www.chuckpaine.com/voyaging.html
the part about the rudder
was taken off of someones posts-and he just doesn't seem to like hunters-so anyways i will check them out if there are some around-and these arent my thoughts on hunters-they were posted on an open forum
was taken off of someones posts-and he just doesn't seem to like hunters-so anyways i will check them out if there are some around-and these arent my thoughts on hunters-they were posted on an open forum
Revised search
on Yachtworld for your area:
Ontario
27-36 feet
fiberglass
All Sail Boats
price 8-25k
on Yachtworld for your area:
Ontario
27-36 feet
fiberglass
All Sail Boats
price 8-25k
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