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Nov 18, 2010
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There are also Czech and Polish military surplus 26mm flare guns that you can get for about the same price as a cheapy plastic 12g gun from WM. Flares are avail too but will expired, however I just carry regular hand flares for compliance, and use the pistol as the arial signal device, or backup. It's a real flare gun, with military ammo.

Anyway, there are conversion kits to make them into 45LC and .22 single shot pistols. Stow the conversion kit in the junk parts box, nobody will know what it is. Then use it in dire emergency, which will never happen but if it does then you can fire back and send him a .45 caliber missile, IE the villain is in your cabin and about to murder you. And you never had to worry about being arrested in foreign ports.
Carrying ammo into a foreign country is often the same as carrying the firearm itself. Also, in most states in the US you either need a gun permit for that flare insert or they are straight up illegal like in Massachusetts.

If you are just going to the Bahamas and feel you must have something onboard, just get a Mossberg Mariner 500 and declare it on entry. Not a big deal in the Bahamas. The rest of the Caribbean it could be a major issue. And never try to hide a gun from customs. That is gun smuggling and treated very harshly. They are smarter than you in this regard and will find it.

But as others have pointed out, if you use it there will be hell to pay. There is not castle law or stand your ground law to get you out. Self defense better be in similar response. Even if you shoot a guy wielding a knife you will have to spend time and money to deal with it.

My decision will mostly be kept private. But the advice you often read about not making yourself a target will be my biggest defense. I wont be flashing jewelry or cash around. I will pick my anchoring locations wisely. My 31-footer won't be the best looking boat in an anchorage. And no guns will be known to be onboard because that will make you a target as much as cash or jewels.

Like Stu always says, your boat your choice. But you better fully understand that choice.

Fair winds,

Jesse
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The typical 'guns are bad' devolution of any thread involving firearms .....

Guys and girls, the original post was not about defending oneself against hordes of barbarians storming the decks of a boat to rob plunder rape and murder ...

The original query was simply the legality of having a LAWFUL firearm on board and what are the correct and legal requirements of entry to the Bahamas with a legal firearm. There are several (private) shooting ranges in the Bahamas.
Not really, Rich, read it again.

I am a retired Police Officer and avid target shooter, plus if I am boarded by other than the Authorities I will protect my wife and myself.
For the OP, I agree with Jesse, and it would be wise for you to simply Google "Bahamas firearm regulations" and do some homework. All you'll get here are opinions. Like mine. :D

Full disclosure: My son-in-law is a policeman. Great fellow.

Also, for the OP, Jesse is wintering over in Boston on his way south. His reply is based on him doing his homework, too.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I posted the Bahamian statutes of firearms entry requirements in that link from the Bahamian Dept of Tourism - self explanatory.
I will again state that from personal experience apparently there 'may' have been changes on the 'amount' of ammo allowed.
I routinely travel back and forth to the Bahamas, we're 'shooters'. Nuff said.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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There certainly is a place for recreational target shooting and hunting. Please don't misunderstand my point, those in red.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Keep the post to the 'actual statutes', then all will be 'straight'.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,502
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Why in the World Would You Want to?

I am probably to the right of 95% of those who are called "Right Wing".

I believe that everyone who is of sound mind and body; those who are not criminals nor felons should have the right to own and even carry any weapon they choose without asking permission or even notifying the government of the weapon's existence.

However why on earth would you knowing venture out as a tourist to a place where you feel compelled to pack your gun?
 
Nov 7, 2012
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1978 Catalina 30 Wilbur-by-the-Sea
I have often thought of toting my shotgun along and trying my hand at skeet shooting. My concern is being offshore with motion and inadvertently discharging some pellets thru the cockpit floor. Really a silly worry.

Mehh, I will just keep a tomahawk close by to repel boarders.
 
Oct 9, 2008
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Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Carrying ammo into a foreign country is often the same as carrying the firearm itself. Also, in most states in the US you either need a gun permit for that flare insert or they are straight up illegal like in Massachusetts. If you are just going to the Bahamas and feel you must have something onboard, just get a Mossberg Mariner 500 and declare it on entry. Not a big deal in the Bahamas. The rest of the Caribbean it could be a major issue. And never try to hide a gun from customs. That is gun smuggling and treated very harshly. They are smarter than you in this regard and will find it. But as others have pointed out, if you use it there will be hell to pay. There is not castle law or stand your ground law to get you out. Self defense better be in similar response. Even if you shoot a guy wielding a knife you will have to spend time and money to deal with it. My decision will mostly be kept private. But the advice you often read about not making yourself a target will be my biggest defense. I wont be flashing jewelry or cash around. I will pick my anchoring locations wisely. My 31-footer won't be the best looking boat in an anchorage. And no guns will be known to be onboard because that will make you a target as much as cash or jewels. Like Stu always says, your boat your choice. But you better fully understand that choice. Fair winds, Jesse
As a former gun store owner, I've heard these notes from antis of every fashion over many years, and they are mostly nonsense.
The comment re not being a target is valid, however. Except the bit about opting for or developing a ratty boat. So I should neglect my vessel for fear of others? Hardly. Also, only a fool would advertise their weapons to locals.

The part about finding ammo aboard is also a valid concern which I forgot. Yet there are many cubby holes aboard a sailboat with which only the owner might be intimate, not to mention a 1000 different ways to camo the small things.

I'm not saying to break the law. I'm saying it might make a captain more at ease if his equipment were stowed and ignored if he's unsure of the political climate at his particular location, should he as a sailing cruiser end up at an unplanned port. It's what I might do; others can decide on their own.

I can tell you as a victim of violent crime that in the darkness of lethal assault you will look for any weapon within reach. Anything. And you will throw it, bash heads with it, fire it, stab and swing and scream with it until you are either conquered or victorious. The suitability of that weapon at that moment becomes paramount, and all of the opinions on the internet will not change that.

For those who say the odds are very low of it happening, I say I agree. And yet I know that it can, and offshore or anchored in unfamiliar waters, it's just you, and him. People who carry are not necessarily survivalists in caves. They are normal people who understand that there are tools for everything. Including the PLBs, tapered plugs, flares, and life rafts that you will never need.

I'd rather spend time and money for shooting a guy wielding a knife (a deadly weapon) on my boat than spend my life and possibly others' by not defending myself, my crew, and my vessel.
 
Oct 9, 2008
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Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
I am probably to the right of 95% of those who are called "Right Wing". I believe that everyone who is of sound mind and body; those who are not criminals nor felons should have the right to own and even carry any weapon they choose without asking permission or even notifying the government of the weapon's existence. However why on earth would you knowing venture out as a tourist to a place where you feel compelled to pack your gun?
True. Yet as a sailing cruiser the path and destination may be different than planned.

Also, why would you sail to a destination that the path of which might sink or otherwise destroy your boat and yourself and crew? Why would you do something that makes you feel compelled to carry life vests, rafts, EPIRBs, plugs, fire extinguishers, mirrors, whistles, survival suits, radios, MOB gear, etcetera?
 
Oct 9, 2008
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Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
WTF is it with boys and their guns? I gave up six shooters when I was eight. Go find a cave in Montana if you wanna be a survival freak. And don't go into Nassau, any real cruiser will tell you that.
I'd like to see the inventory of survival gear on Stu's boat. Including the long list of stuff not on the CG requirement list.
:-D
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
As a former gun store owner, I've heard these notes from antis of every fashion over many years, and they are mostly nonsense.
The comment re not being a target is valid, however. Except the bit about opting for or developing a ratty boat. So I should neglect my vessel for fear of others?
Not what I was saying. Anchor a nice 45 footer next to the older couple on the 75 footer with hydraulic furlers, center console RIB, etc. and you don't look like the most appetizing thing around.

Hardly. Also, only a fool would advertise their weapons to locals.
Many cruisers have relayed experiences of customs officials trying to keep guns or reporting them to "friends" who are on the other side of the law. So simply declaring them can get you in trouble.

The part about finding ammo aboard is also a valid concern which I forgot. Yet there are many cubby holes aboard a sailboat with which only the owner might be intimate, not to mention a 1000 different ways to camo the small things.
How many of them are affective against dogs trained to sniff for gunpowder? Again, these guys are used to dealing with smugglers of all types. There are very few, if any, things that are new under the sun. You may think that you found some new spot to hide stuff but I would put money on it being tried and failed before.

I'm not saying to break the law. I'm saying it might make a captain more at ease if his equipment were stowed and ignored if he's unsure of the political climate at his particular location, should he as a sailing cruiser end up at an unplanned port. It's what I might do; others can decide on their own.
What value will that gun deep in a hold have when someone is trying to get on your boat? Its the same as the gun locked in a safe in the basement when you're in the bedroom on the top floor. You won't be able to get to it in time for it to be of any use.

I can tell you as a victim of violent crime that in the darkness of lethal assault you will look for any weapon within reach. Anything. And you will throw it, bash heads with it, fire it, stab and swing and scream with it until you are either conquered or victorious. The suitability of that weapon at that moment becomes paramount, and all of the opinions on the internet will not change that.

For those who say the odds are very low of it happening, I say I agree. And yet I know that it can, and offshore or anchored in unfamiliar waters, it's just you, and him. People who carry are not necessarily survivalists in caves. They are normal people who understand that there are tools for everything. Including the PLBs, tapered plugs, flares, and life rafts that you will never need.

I'd rather spend time and money for shooting a guy wielding a knife (a deadly weapon) on my boat than spend my life and possibly others' by not defending myself, my crew, and my vessel.
Just to put it out there. I am not anti-gun. I have a license to carry in one of the strictest states in the US. I carry close to daily in one of the most anti-gun cities out there. I have multiple guns locked in custom installed safes in my boat. I am a member of several pro-2nd amendment groups. When I had time, before I started my big push to finish boat projects to go cruising, I used to go to the range a couple times a week (when I could find ammo).

All that being said, I have spent way too many hours researching this. I have looked at every angle of being able to carry weapons. In the end I have come to the conclusion that carrying weapons when you leave the US is more trouble than it is worth. We are guests in the foreign countries we visit and we can't expect to have the same rights and privileges we enjoy in the US.

Just my opinion and everyone has to make their own.

Jesse
 
Oct 9, 2008
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Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
BTW, JK-Boston I worded the first paragraph wrong. Sorry it was more of a reply all, but I had pushed quote reply on your post because was responding to some of the content there.

Anyway, re your more recent post - good commentary and may work in many areas. However my life is worth more that the law, regardless of how much respect I have for the law. And I know that a life can be threatened in any environment, but logically more so when it is most vulnerable. That vulnerability or lack thereof must be analyzed by each individual, and either prepared for or discarded, in precisely the same fashion in which we choose other equipment on the boat, yet with the added quandary of legal issues.

Not an easy answer, but each person can use the information and make their own decision.

The ammo would be stored as accessible of course. I'm sure the cabin would be locked and afford time for retrieval. Or, the thing would be assembled and loaded at night. I'm well versed in firearm storage and the task of bringing it to bear, as you can assume.
 

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
After the machete attack on Christina of S/V Rainbow, there was a meeting in St. George's, Grenada, attended by about 125 cruisers, some locals and perhaps a government officer or two.
Many thoughts and ideas were put forth about self defense, but only ONE had any merit at all.
A fire extinguisher is undoubtedly the most legal, effective, defensive device available to cruisers today, period.
Pepper spray, fire arms, spear guns, flare guns and any other common self defense ideas are either illegal in many places or just plain silly.
A group took a t-shirt on a life jacket to the beach and the flare just bounced off, several times. Bug spray, bear repellant and items of that sort may or may not deter someone which is a pretty bad bet if your life is on the line.
A face full of fire extinguisher will definitely deter someone long enough to get the upper hand, and you are not going to go to prison in some 3rd world country for possessing it aboard your boat.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I'd like to see the inventory of survival gear on Stu's boat. Including the long list of stuff not on the CG requirement list.
:-D
Lotsa chicken noodle soup! :dance::dance::dance:
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Where do 12 gauge flare guns fit on the "weapons aboard" continuum? Are they or aren't they "weapons?"
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Very pistols (flare guns) are prohibited in many places in the caribbean basin.

Noonsite.com is a good place for cruisers to start their research for entry requirements for just about all cruising ports, etc.; although the posted data may be 'not up to date' nor entirely accurate.
Even official government websites can many times be 'not up to date'; ditto, with official ports of entry far from any national capital or seat of government.
 
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Pepper spray, fire arms, spear guns, flare guns and any other common self defense ideas are either illegal in many places or just plain silly. A group took a t-shirt on a life jacket to the beach and the flare just bounced off. A face full of fire extinguisher will definitely deter someone long enough to get the upper hand.
Sure, if you're a physically capable male with the guts and know-how to get the upper hand on a likely muscular and aggressive attacker. Machete-wielding bad ass vs retired cruising couple with a fire extinguisher? Please. Your group have no clue of real world testing.

And did someone say to use a flare gun as a weapon? I wouldn't count it as either a lethal nor even formidable tool for the job.

In a lethal battle, you'll need lethal force. Gun, knife, bat, pipe wrench, even a chrome steel winch handle is a lethal weapon. A fire extinguisher is not, typically, unless it's large enough you can use it as a staver.

If your group were correct, all of law enforcement would be carrying around fire extinguishers.

If the battle is non-lethal, ie: there's no sign that your life is in danger, then the non lethal weapons can be deployed to shoo the invader.
Or you can talk him off the boat, being forceful and confident. This would be my most desirable outcome.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
I can't speak about the killings in Nassau, but when I was there for over a month in 2010, the stores in the malls had locked doors, with a buzzer. if they liked your looks they let you in. During the daytime, I never felt threatened in any way. But I did NOT go wandering certain areas after dark, same as I would do in a large US city.

We were told at one marina that the troubles they were having were from Haitians, NOT Bahamians. Don't know the real truth there.
 
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