Just acquired a Victoria 18 and found that bottom of rudder is not attached to hull. Seems to be a pin or bolt missing but don't know where to find one or how it goes on to rudder. Anyone know about this boat and where to get info? Thanks.
Victoria 18 rudder
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A photo would help.
A gudgeon is the bracket that holds the pintle and is attached to the hull. The pintle is a short rod that is attached to the rudder. The rudder pivots on the pintle, it is basically a hinge. There are usually 2 one at the top and one at the bottom.
Check Jamestown Distributors, Hamilton Marine, and Defender for replacements.
A gudgeon is the bracket that holds the pintle and is attached to the hull. The pintle is a short rod that is attached to the rudder. The rudder pivots on the pintle, it is basically a hinge. There are usually 2 one at the top and one at the bottom.
Check Jamestown Distributors, Hamilton Marine, and Defender for replacements.
Yes, thank you. What I need to know is what the pin or bolt is that goes with this particular boat. It needs something specific. I was hoping that someone who knows Victoria 18's would be able to point me in the right direction.
@strattma you are asking a very esoteric question. The Victoria 18 was designed more than 40 years ago and has been out of production for 35 years. A lot of boats have custom made fittings that are no longer in production or available.
Photographs will help forum members to identify the issue and offer viable suggestions. You may end up having a part custom made for you.
Also check for a Victoria 18 Owners group or someone who has a Victoria 18 website. Google will be your friend here.
Photographs will help forum members to identify the issue and offer viable suggestions. You may end up having a part custom made for you.
Also check for a Victoria 18 Owners group or someone who has a Victoria 18 website. Google will be your friend here.
Ok, finally got pic. Rudder is hung at angle. To the left is toward bow. Leading edge of rudder has a solid stainless red with a shallow hole in bottom. It sits on the gudgeon but there is no pin or pintle or bolt to hold it in place. I used a screwdriver taped in place to get it home from lake w/o swinging around.
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Hello strattma, Welcome to SBO! I saw a discussion regarding the Victoria 18 on sailnet.com dated 2014. Perhaps checking that source will be helpful. Some of the pictures of Victoria 18 boats for sale show the rudder clearly enough to show that there is some difference in color of the keel in the area where the keel and rudder connect. It would seem likely that there had been some repair there on those boats. If no original parts are available, which is quite likely, a home made part would be in order. Perhaps finding how rudder attachments are made on other sailboat models would be worth investigation. Many "offshore" boats, including powerboats, have a connection at the lower end of the rudder. NOTE: That makes it unlikely that the rudder would fall off! (That would be a bad thing!) We will follow your work with great interest. It is always interesting to see how sailors solve the challenges they face.
Here are four photos of the rudder. There is a stainless 3/4 inch rod that is attached to the leading edge of the rudder which extends all the way up through the deck where the tiller is attached. A set screw on the tiller hardware holds the rod in place. The bottom end of the rod has a shallow 1/2 inch deep hollow center. The gudgeon is like most gudgeons, a stainless piece where you would insert a pintle of some sort. The pintle is what is missing and it is, I think, a piece that is neither attached to rod or the gudgeon. Unless it WAS attached to the end of the rod and broke off. Or maybe it was a pin or bolt that simply rode in the gudgeon somehow. In one picture you see that I put a screwdriver up through the gudgeon and into the end of the rod and taped it in place for the trip home from the lake. My question is does anyone know what that piece (pintle) looks like and how it was attached to the gudgeon.
Here are four photos of the rudder. There is a stainless 3/4 inch rod that is attached to the leading edge of the rudder which extends all the way up through the deck where the tiller is attached. A set screw on the tiller hardware holds the rod in place. The bottom end of the rod has a shallow 1/2 inch deep hollow center. The gudgeon is like most gudgeons, a stainless piece where you would insert a pintle of some sort. The pintle is what is missing and it is, I think, a piece that is neither attached to rod or the gudgeon. Unless it WAS attached to the end of the rod and broke off. Or maybe it was a pin or bolt that simply rode in the gudgeon somehow. In one picture you see that I put a screwdriver up through the gudgeon and into the end of the rod and taped it in place for the trip home from the lake. My question is does anyone know what that piece (pintle) looks like and how it was attached to the gudgeon.
The weight of the rudder should hold the pintle in place. There may be something at the top of the rudder or the rudder head that helps to hold it.
The photos you posted didn't get posted... Oh well.
What does the top of the rudder look like? Especially the place where the tiller attaches.
It may also be the case that the lower gudgeon has become loose and needs to be repaired.
Time to get the grinder out to see what the gudgeon is no longer attached to. The problem does not seem to be a pin too short, rather a gudgeon too low. Finish taking the rudder off and then get to work with grinder, chisel and hammer.
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Oh Boy... grinder, chisel and hammer. Oh Boy...
Reminds me of "Lions Tigers and Bears Oh MY"... evokes similar fears.
But that is what will be needed to solve the issue of the dangling gudgeon too low.
Hmmmm... The gudgeon actually feels solid, despite the cracks you see. The problem is the pin that goes through gudgeon and into bottom of rod that is attached to the leading edge of the rudder is not there. I am hoping someone who has a Victoria 18 can look at their rudder and tell me what that piece looks like and how it is attached to the whole assembly.
From an earlier post. Not sure if this a typo, the pintle should go into the gudgeon not on to it.
The gudgeon may feel solid, but it might have moved.
I am still looking for a larger picture of the entire rudder as it is hanging on the back of the boat. Also from the deck looking down, how about a photo or two of that part of the mechanism. I looked specifically for a while on the internet and came up with nothing. I think the gudgeon is embedded into the glass
I appreciate your staying with me on this. Normally you would have a pintle on the rudder that slips into the opening on the gudgeon. But this rudder has just a rod with nothing at the end. It is the same diameter as the gudgeon. It would make sense if this rod would taper down into a pintle like end that you could then insert into the gudgeon. But it doesn't have anything. Just a shallow hole in the center. Either the tapered end or a bolt or a some sort of pin needs to go down from the rod and into the gudgeon. You may be right about the gudgeon, but again, it feels solid. I can take a photo of the tiller where it connects to this rod on deck. It is attached using a set screw so that you can move the whole rudder up or to take the rudder off the boat completely. Here is a photo of the rod on the front of the rudder sitting on the gudgeon. The crack in the fiberglass on the keel is right where the rod is sitting on the gudgeon. The rod is six feet long! The gudgeon is about an inch long. Thanks. Mike
