VHF SWR results...

Mar 6, 2008
1,272
Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
To the best of my knowledge, the antenna itself needs to be tuned. There is a set screw at the base of the antenna. It should be loosened and the whip portion pulled out or in then test the the transmission. Does your antenna have this adjusting set screw?
 
Nov 6, 2020
309
Mariner 36 California
To the best of my knowledge, the antenna itself needs to be tuned. There is a set screw at the base of the antenna. It should be loosened and the whip portion pulled out or in then test the the transmission. Does your antenna have this adjusting set screw?
Thanks, no, no way to tune as far as i can tell from brochure and data sheet. The antenna base was one big sealed unit. I dont remember seeing anything like that and no mention of it in the sparse documentation.
 
Nov 6, 2020
309
Mariner 36 California
Yeah, it is a bear to correctly solder the shield of LMR400 without damaging the foam dialectric. I only use crimp/solder connectors for this. Actually I solely use them now for everything because I've never produced a bad one, or had one go bad in use.

Do you have a dummy load? One is very useful for troubleshooting, as you can just walk the system backward until you find the problem.

One thing you can do is disconnect the coax from the radio, go up the mast and disconnect from the antenna and check for a short up there. If you have a break in the coax before going up the mast, then also check there.

If you need to replace the connector up the mast and are having problems soldering the center connector, there are center pin crimp connectors that don't require soldering. I'd choose the crimp/solder connector over that for more robustness, but it will work better than a bad solder job.

Mark
This is good to know. I may need to resort to one of those type of connectors at the masthead. I just hope I can pull enough slack cable to redo the end connector at the mast head. Thats my biggest worry. I dont think that LMR is going to budge. Its in a narrow conduit with another 12gauge wire going to the mast top. May need to lower the antenna and mount it a little lower.
 
Nov 6, 2020
309
Mariner 36 California
Yeah, it is a bear to correctly solder the shield of LMR400 without damaging the foam dialectric. I only use crimp/solder connectors for this. Actually I solely use them now for everything because I've never produced a bad one, or had one go bad in use.

Do you have a dummy load? One is very useful for troubleshooting, as you can just walk the system backward until you find the problem.

One thing you can do is disconnect the coax from the radio, go up the mast and disconnect from the antenna and check for a short up there. If you have a break in the coax before going up the mast, then also check there.

If you need to replace the connector up the mast and are having problems soldering the center connector, there are center pin crimp connectors that don't require soldering. I'd choose the crimp/solder connector over that for more robustness, but it will work better than a bad solder job.

Mark
No, no dummy load. I should probably get one but dont really understand how they work yet.
 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
324
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
No, no dummy load. I should probably get one but dont really understand how they work yet.
They are just a resistor that absorbs the energy and allows the radio to transmit at power like it sees a perfect antenna on the end. So you just plug it in to any connector to test the system up to that part (with the meter in line, of course). If things improve, then the problem is downstream of wherever you plugged in the dummy load, so you just keep moving it down system until you find the problem.

Mark
 
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colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
324
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
To the best of my knowledge, the antenna itself needs to be tuned. There is a set screw at the base of the antenna. It should be loosened and the whip portion pulled out or in then test the the transmission. Does your antenna have this adjusting set screw?
This type of tuning mechanism would be very rare on a marine VHF band antenna. I've never seen one outside of automobile types. They generally come tuned to 1/2 or 5/8 or 1/4 wavelength at 156MHz as end fed or dipole or colinear array. Some whips have a removable whip that could be trimmed by cutting, but there is rarely a reason for doing this.

Mark
 
Nov 6, 2020
309
Mariner 36 California
They are just a resistor that absorbs the energy and allows the radio to transmit at power like it sees a perfect antenna on the end. So you just plug it in to any connector to test the system up to that part (with the meter in line, of course). If things improve, then the problem is downstream of wherever you plugged in the dummy load, so you just keep moving it down system until you find the problem.

Mark
Ah thanks. That makes sense.
 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
324
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
Mark,
Here is a text about adjusting marine antenna.
That link sent me to a general google search with a lot of results discussing CB and automobile antennas. The AI chatbot result at the top talked about adjusting a "marine" antenna, but all of the citations it used were for CB antennas.

Searching for "tunable marine VHF antenna" only brought general mobile antennas and a few universal multiband antennas that could be tuned by cutting their whip to the correct size. All marine antennas you will find on boats are pretuned to marine frequencies.

Any fiberglass antenna cannot be tuned. An end-fed steel whip like many use can be tuned by cutting off an appropriate length, but it can't be lengthened. The set screw on antennas that have a removable whip only holds the whip into a socket - the whip cannot be moved in and out to adjust its tune length.

Truly tunable marine VHF antennas may exist, but they are not in common use (I've never seen one).

Mark
 
Mar 6, 2008
1,272
Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
Since my posting I discovered that there are marine antennas that are not adjustable and other marine antennas that are adjustable.
The link I provided the first line indicates a marine antenna SRW meter and if you continue reading you will find where it talks about how to adjust the length of the whip with the set screw. I would not cut the antenna.
Here is that link
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,326
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
I wouldn’t get too hung up on SWR. Lots of things can affect resonance and impedance, length of the radiator being only one.

Changing the electrical length of the antenna small amounts has a correspondingly small amount of SWR change.

The very high SWR the OP cited is neither but almost always caused by other problems such as bad connectors or moisture in the coax.
 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
324
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
Since my posting I discovered that there are marine antennas that are not adjustable and other marine antennas that are adjustable.
The link I provided the first line indicates a marine antenna SRW meter and if you continue reading you will find where it talks about how to adjust the length of the whip with the set screw. I would not cut the antenna.
Here is that link
OK. Now go and find an example one of these adjustable marine VHF antennas. I've searched and cannot outside of one or two portable automotive mounted versions, and these were made to cover the entire 2M band for mobile ham operation. The fact that they can also be tuned to marine frequencies within the 2M band is just emergent from those frequencies being within the 2M band. While that Cobra article describes a theoretical approach, it needs to be noted that none of Cobra's marine VHF antennas are adjustable in this manner. Cobra is also much larger in terrestrial and ham than in marine.

Mark