Travel Lift Band Crushes Catalina 30 Hull. Help!

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Dave Gierisch

Travel Lift Band Crushes Catalina 30 Hull….. Help!! Sorry about the long note, but I really need advice -- How could a routine annual haul-out with an oversized travel lift result in a crushed (pushed in, dimpled…big time) port and starboard sides of the aft hull area of my 1990 Catalina 30? I wasn’t present when the boat was hauled out on Friday [that’s another marina story] but on Saturday I paid a visit to take care of winterizing. I just arrived and coincidentally the lift was in the area, and the operator came over to tell me about a “problem” at haul-out. He told me both sides “oil canned” under the rear support band when the boat was raised out of the water!! My inspection easily/quickly confirmed his heart-stopping words. Circular indentations nearly 2 feet in diameter were centered about 2 feet off of the keel centerline. The operator was quick to point out they were not as deep today/Saturday as yesterday, as if that was supposed to be comforting. The center of each indentation was ¾ to 1 inch deep, just eyeballing it. I guess they were 1.5 inches deep yesterday. Tapping the dimpled area yielded an ugly sounding thud, rather than the customary crisp ring and the center of the dimple can be pushed in about 1/16 inch before firm resistance is felt. Based on the telltale band marks on the bottom paint, she was lifted very close to the recommended location, which the book shows to be right in front of the shaft. If I were there, I would have had them place the bands a scant foot more forward, to be exactly at the proper location (almost up against the wing keel). These travel lift bands are huge…about 16” wide. The lift is the largest (80 ton) in the northern Chesapeake Bay area, located at Pleasure Cove Marina on Bodkin Creek, Pasadena MD. The boat has no history of any bottom problems (not even 1 blister) and, she has been hauled out every winter. There is also minor damage to the inside. The cabin liner/sole support immediately to starboard of the companionway ladder is detached from the hull, and there are some hairline cracks in a corner of the liner under the nav table. QUESTIONS -- NEED HELP/ADVICE: 1. Do you know of someone who has had a similar problem on a sailboat… from any manufacturer? I’d sure like to talk to the skipper. 2. Is this a known, rare or unheard of problem with Catalinas? I occasionally work the Catalina newsgroups, and never saw anything like this. 3. Do you agree the outer layer of laminant is hopelessly separated, and major structural repair work is needed….and, perhaps including hull interior reinforcement? 4. Do you have any advice on how to proceed?? Hire a darn good/well experienced surveyor for advice. (Any recommendations who work the Annapolis area) Consult with a fiberglass repair shop? All the above, after a good cry? 5. Could the lift operator somehow be at fault, at least partially? I can’t see how…but, again, I wasn’t there. Thanks, Dave Gierisch Dave.sheila@prodigy.net 1990 Catalina 30T, 5808, Wing keel
 
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Carl

We're in the same boat

I just had the same problem with my Hunter 30. For years the same marina lifted my boat out with no problems. This year the marina called to notify me the boat was comming out on Sat. morning. My wife and I went to the marina on Sun. morning and found the damage. The biggest problem we are now facing is the marina owner does not want to take responcabilty for the damage. I have been intouch with Boat US and they wanted me to get the yard to appraise the cost to repair it. (If it can be fixed). I am more than a little upset and baffled as to my next step. Sorry for your damage. If you find an answer please let me konw. crooners@bellatlantic.net
 
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Gene Foraker

Assume the yard is at fault

This just shouldn't happen without major interior bulkhead damage already existing. With the difficult labor market, many yards have dificulty finding good people. Do not trust anything the yard tells you from this point on. They will be your adversary. The presumption of guilt will be on them. Ask them to report it to their insurance co. 1. Get an independent surveyor not too close to your yard to look at the boat. 2. Call Catalina for advice. They may have some insight or experience. 3. Get a repair estimate from another yard. 4. If this was caused by an accident and not by pre-existing rot or deterioration, your insurance may cover it. Call your Insurance co. and don't take a quick rejection without them showing you in the policy where it is not covered. If your insurance co. does pay for it, they will have the right of "subrogation" and can then sue the yard for the damages. Much easier than hiring your own lawyer. This may be a test of how good your agent and company are. Cheer up, it would have been far worse to have happened in the Spring. Good Luck
 
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Ron

Isn't that why we PAY $$

Sorry to here of the damage. Just a quick thought. When we crane out our boats we adjust a spreader bar to accomodate the beam of a Cat 30. If the lift operator does not have the lifting bands set wide enough it could put undo stress on the sides of the hull and not the bottom! Let us know how this turns out.
 
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LaDonna Bubak - Catalina Owners

Follow Gene's advice

I'm sorry about what happened. Gene gave very sound advice. The very first thing to do is contact your insurance agent. Don't assume anything the yard says is how things really are. On the same note, don't treat them like the enemy (you know, the whole honey/vinegar thing). Good luck & let us know how it all turns out. LaDonna
 
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Pat

hull squeeze

No problems in 15 years and about 20 haulouts using travel lifts on my C-30 tall rig. You need an independent surveyor as well as your insurance agent pronto.
 
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