Too tippy?

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Tom Duarte

Family Sailing

The wife says 15 degress is her limit (and I too get 'the look') but I can sometmes push it to 20-25 or until my 5 year old yells "High side of the boat people!" Then he wants to know when we are going to "attack".
 
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Steve Zito

Now don't tell a story

Come on guys (and girls). Tell the truth. We all like to tell little stories about the fish we catch, the boats we beat in a race, the terrible storm we were in. Heeling is the same way. Sure, I have to place one foot on the rail to keep me upright sometimes behind the wheel, but when the windows in the cabin become like a glass bottom boat, that's probably enough. Sure, when I have a racing crew, as long as the boom is out of the water, we're OK, but wife, kids and friends don't take much heel.
 
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Rox

Kids Get Bonked!!!!

I like 30 degrees when it's just the captain and me, but when little crew mates are sailing too, they get hurt. They bonk their heads on the door of the head, the slot for the daggerboard keel, or the flying food bin!!!!! Maybe I should velcro them to the mast. What do you think???
 
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Rox

What's you drinking???

I totally agree , but it is something cheap it is perfectly okay to let it spill, except on the seat cushions of course. How if it were a Tang. gin and tonic, then by all means YOU ARE heeling way too much. Hey, where are the ice cubes????
 
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Richard Lanier

Pinned leeward

My wife threatens to never again step foot on the boat when we take water over the gunnels, or when when one of us is pinned to the leeward side of the cockpit. I definately agree with the second. She enjoys washing the windows, though. So it is a close line.
 
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Paul

No tippy canoe here

We sail a newer Hunter 356 and not to be caught offguard, we take out added insurance against a tippy canoe so to speak by releasing the boom a good 18" to 24" prior to letting out the main. We have in-mast furling and during early days of sailing experienced a few surprise tips causing mayhem below decks and anxious moments in the cockpit as evasive manoeuvres were quickly taken. Our 21 year old son loves heeling to the extreme combined with sailing at high speed, whereas, the older folks do not enjoy an overly tippy sailing session, and opt for the more efficient combination of a slight heel at high speeds . By releasing boom beforehand we are rarely ever taken by surprise during strong winds.
 
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Rox

Guests Not Invited

Sometimes you just have to leave the wife and kids at home. If I could sail myself, I would. Right now in fact!!!!
 
Jul 1, 1998
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Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
It's on my "Honey-Do" List

Yes - our boat has a really nice (now vintage) clinometer. That was one of the requirements when we bought the boat in '88. It's also on my "honey-do" list of things to install! I'll get to it... and I get reminded of it often. I just don't like poking holes in the boat! The best solution, though, is to throw another reef in and turn the wheel over to the crew (after they picked up the mess.... er, things, down below).
 
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sailorjim

Heeling Angle

We generally try to keep the heel at 15 to 200 degree's. However, we have been cought when playing the traveller, luffing the main until it is still driving but not much etc just does not work. When we get to 25 to 30 dregree's we reef. Once we really got cought. I have a single deep reef for off-shore work and even that did not help. Wind constant at 30 with gusts to 39 kts. Sea state 8 - 12 feet. What a ride. My wife did not enjoy it at all. The boat took it all, but it was a wet ride. Green water over the deck all day. And sliding off the side of those big waves, it looked like we were comig off the Empire Stete building. We surivive and so did the boat, but wet sleeping bags after a day like that were even less fun.
 
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John W. Averell

Depends on the boat

I would allow my 22' (centerboard)Narrasketuck to heel only to the point that at which my 250 pound righting moment - sans trapeze or harness - would cease to do the "right" (pardon the double entende) thing. In my 23' Ensign, it could heel all it wanted, as the righting moment of the keel INCREASED as the keel moved further from the center of balance, and the wind spilled from the top of the sails. Landlubbers notwithstanding.
 
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Jeanne Bromberg

We'er in the Gray Matter Cap'n

A friend and I owned a litte 16' Teal with a center board. The deck was covered in a gray 3M type of no slip. It was about 3-4 in on the edges. We were sailing her on Lake Lizzy one day and it was blowing pretty good and we were having a blast. At one point I was laughing and said to him, we got in the gray matter Cap'n and he had no idea what I was talking about til the next time we went out. Our newer boat, 17' O'day it's when the water starts coming over the lee side. I know purest will say that is not the fastest sailing. But, sailing is about fun and we love it. Jeanne B
 
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Muskrat

Washing the windows

When racing we try to stay under 30 degrees... But when we are out for fun we don't mind washing the windows.
 
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Pirate

Re: Boat Design

"I am surprised that no one has mentioned the manufacturer's recommendation for maximum healing based on the respective design of the specific boat. Each boat has a maximum rate of heel beyond which you go at your own peril." You are on the right track! :) There is a huge difference between the maximun heel allowed by design from a capsize point of view and from a fast sailing point of view. A Catalina 30 will heel to 118 degrees before it rolls, so from a "tip-over" point of view you could put the spreader tips in the water and the boat will still come back up. From a fast sailing point of view, when going to weather in 20 knots true (23 knots apparent) the best performance is at 21.9 degrees of heel. With the apparent wind on the beam in 20 knots true, a Catalina 30 will do over 7.6 knots at 28.6 degrees of heel. Highest boat speed in 20 knots true is just over 7.8 knots at 130 degrees off the true wind and only 15.8 degrees of heel. More heel = faster to a point, after that more heel = slower = stoopid = upset crew = undue stress on boat = skipper needs sailing lessons. If you want to know thses numbers for your boat, contact US Sailing and get a peformance package. You will beat your buddies to the next anchorage and have a happy safe crew and be able to listen to their horror stories as they try to get warm in your nice, tidy, DRY, boat (their gear and sleeping bags got wet when they were laughing at you for reefing early). The perfomance package is the best few hundred dollars I've ever spent on the boat. I don't guess how much sail or heel the boat should have, I know. The boat is faster and more pleasant to sail, and I have a crew that still has romantic thoughts at the end of the day rather than one that won't speak to me. That alone was worth the purchase price! You too can laugh at the macho men that are sailing sideways with the deck in the water. I'll wash my cabin ports and deck with a bucket and brush while I wait for them to finally arrive. :)
 
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Anthony

Heel more then back off

When we hit 15 my wife gets nervous; take the boat to 25 for a while, and she's happy with 20. It's just a matter of getting used to the heel. Our boat sails best between 15 & 25 so why not use it. We've been past 50 more than once and the ballast does it's job; plus my wife is happy with 25 then!
 
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Jan Hill

Too much testosterone

As a female skipper, my personal bug-bear is the crew (inavariably male) who likes to try to take over my boat to "show me how to sail her" .. usually by tighteing the sails, sailing her on her ear, (which usually slows her down). This is particularly irritating when I've gone below to go to the head! I've owned Peace of Mind for 19 years now, we have bonded, she has a modified fin keel which gives her a nice compromise between speed and safety. She's a lady, she's taken me through many storms, and looks after me well. Yes, I sail her by feel, too much heel I either head up a little, or let out the sail a little. Lots of wind, I don't bother with the main but sail on my 130 genny which will reef on the furling system. After 19 years I'm still in love, just given her a new bulkhead and new rigging, she loves it.
 
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Steve G.

Who needs an inclinometer?

We keep our 9 ft inflatable on davits off the stern. Anything over 25 deg and the dog & I usually get a good splash (unless he's in the dinghy, in which case he climbs up my back). Then it's time to reef.
 
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Bill Perkins

My wifes rule is !!!

Her deal is if the boat is heeling to hard buy a bigger boat. We have gone from a Hunter 26 to a 290 and now we have just purchased a new 36.
 
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Harry Phelps

wife's screems

When we sail on sydney harbour on saturday afternoons, the sound of my wifes voice is enough to make me bring the boat into the wind. This is normally around 35 deg. Any more than this my wifes voice changes exponentialy.
 
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