Sunken Treasure

[dLj]

I recently watched a YouTube video of Sailing Magic Carpet and they were sailing up a British Columbia fiord along with another boat that was electric powered. The difference in the diesel powered boat and the electric powered boat was pretty clearly shown.

The power storage needs for an electric boat need to be considered. Where and how are you going to sail? Are you OK with sitting and waiting for wind if your batteries are dead? A lot depends on you, and how you want your boat to run. How do you want to charge those batteries? Lots of things to think about.

Nobody can answer for you how an electric motor will work for you without a huge amount of detailed sailing and systems information.

dj

 

[ggrizzard]

Take a heavy dose of Soma, forget the idea ever crossed your mind,
and RUN like hell the other way, (even if they paid you to take it)!

 

[jssailem]

Here is an interesting perspective about electrical motors on a cruising boat.

And an analytical view by a cruising sailor.

 

[dLj]

Just a note, the second video said he likes having a minimum of 500 nm and prefers 1000nm on his engine. I very much agree with that. I don't measure in nautical miles, I measure in hours. My boat carries fuel for approximately 200 hours of continuous motoring. I can run carefully and push to close to 300 hours of motoring. It's a really nice safety belt...

There are ocean legs where that would be insufficient, but if I were to run those, I would carry Jerry cans to make up the deficit.

Like I said above - you need to define how you wish to sail

dj

 

[Grumps]

Take a heavy dose of Soma, forget the idea ever crossed your mind,
and RUN like hell the other way, (even if they paid you to take it)!

thanks!

 

[Grumps]

Just a note, the second video said he likes having a minimum of 500 nm and prefers 1000nm on his engine. I very much agree with that. I don't measure in nautical miles, I measure in hours. My boat carries fuel for approximately 200 hours of continuous motoring. I can run carefully and push to close to 300 hours of motoring. It's a really nice safety belt...

There are ocean legs where that would be insufficient, but if I were to run those, I would carry Jerry cans to make up the deficit.

Like I said above - you need to define how you wish to sail

dj

My idea is more in line with the guy with the channel “How To Sail The Oceans”. He didn’t even have a motor until the last couple seasons and he just has a little outboard now. I have power boats if I wanted to use a motor, so I’m more interested in sailing a sailboat. I enjoy the idea of the romance of it and I try to enjoy the journey. I’m not saying that this is the boat for me, just that I get more enjoyment out of the process along the way than most people. Thanks for your input and I do appreciate it. All good info.

 

[JBP-PA]

Just a note, the second video said he likes having a minimum of 500 nm and prefers 1000nm on his engine. I very much agree with that. I don't measure in nautical miles, I measure in hours. My boat carries fuel for approximately 200 hours of continuous motoring. I can run carefully and push to close to 300 hours of motoring. It's a really nice safety belt...

There are ocean legs where that would be insufficient, but if I were to run those, I would carry Jerry cans to make up the deficit.

Like I said above - you need to define how you wish to sail

dj

On the flip side, there are still people who successfully sail around the world with no engine at all or just their dinghy. To each their own.

 

[william24424]

Regarding Electric propulsion.

Yes. E propulsion for dinghy, perfect for mooring to shore. Engine is super light, easy to stow below (no gas, no smell) And recharges quickly.

For Sailboat? IDK
Diesel engine is hard to beat, Often we motor-sail early morning south to islands, against a prevailing wind. If we waited for wind to fill in, moorings would as well. Then sail back on a broad reach in 10-15 knots.

The calculus for electric engine/old boat = < or > (the retrofit cost/time), For use against a current, against the wind, and against time.,
measured against the 'Keep it Simple' equation, Divided by Murphys law of thermodynamics.... or maybe Bernoulli's equation, makes sense? IDK.

 

[dLj]

My idea is more in line with the guy with the channel “How To Sail The Oceans”. He didn’t even have a motor until the last couple seasons and he just has a little outboard now. I have power boats if I wanted to use a motor, so I’m more interested in sailing a sailboat. I enjoy the idea of the romance of it and I try to enjoy the journey. I’m not saying that this is the boat for me, just that I get more enjoyment out of the process along the way than most people. Thanks for your input and I do appreciate it. All good info.

I am not sure I know that channel, but for sure it just depends on how you want to travel. I very much like the motor in my big boat because it gives me easier access to a greater variety of sailing aspects than without. But my dinghy is motorless - I just row. I have had a small motor on it but took it off. I've thought about putting an electric motor on it, who knows, one day I might. But for the moment I enjoy rowing.

You could run your big boat without a motor. Use a yula. If you want a motor - what criteria are you using to select a motor? What is that motor doing for you in the way you wish to sail? I'm neutral as to how to set up a sailboat. As far as I'm concerned - it's however one wants to sail. The hard step I feel is for the individual to decide what are the criteria that are needed.

I think an all electric boat is a very cool thing. But it doesn't fit my current sailing style. I've owned plenty of boats without a motor. That's cool too. But it doesn't fit my current sailing style.

dj

 

[SteveHughessails]

Years ago a crew was hired to pull logs out of a local lake. It was an insane operation but the wood they pulled out was incredible. Said to be preserved by the water, they were not that deep. If I had the resources and the desire, what a story it would be. A $30k vessel for a $100k in elbow grease. I think I would sleep extra good on her.
I say do it.

 

[dLj]

Years ago a crew was hired to pull logs out of a local lake. It was an insane operation but the wood they pulled out was incredible. Said to be preserved by the water, they were not that deep. If I had the resources and the desire, what a story it would be. A $30k vessel for a $100k in elbow grease. I think I would sleep extra good on her.
I say do it.

With all due respect, the wood they pulled out was not balsa, nor plywood. Balsa does not get better with water, it turns to mush. Plywood does not get better with water, it gets destroyed. They also weren't pulling out electrical and mechanical systems - all not playing well with water.

Compare oranges to oranges. Not oranges to orangutans....

dj

 

[SteveHughessails]

Fair enough, I’d still do it.

 

[Grumps]

Years ago a crew was hired to pull logs out of a local lake. It was an insane operation but the wood they pulled out was incredible. Said to be preserved by the water, they were not that deep. If I had the resources and the desire, what a story it would be. A $30k vessel for a $100k in elbow grease. I think I would sleep extra good on her.
I say do it.

I found out yesterday that the boat I was hoping it was, it was not. That boat was moved to another local marina. I’m still trying to figure out what she is. Clues that I have so far: the backstay is split, the mast appears to be deck stepped, and she’s a sailing submarine (currently).

 

[colemj]

Who is paying the cost to raise and transport it? Seems like that alone would be a significant fraction of any potential future value.

Mark

 

[Grumps]

Who is paying the cost to raise and transport it? Seems like that alone would be a significant fraction of any potential future value.

Mark

Trying to work that out just in case I decide to give her a shot. Thinking that the marina will chip in a chunk, I’ll pay a chunk, and the salvage guy is trying to get the guy her abandoned her to kick in some to stay out of court. I still haven’t decided to do it, but just want to be ready if I do. I’m not finding anyone around here that can haul her to my shop and without knowing what she is, I can’t get quotes. I also need to know if she’ll fit thru the door at my shop.

 

[Grumps]

I want to pose a crazy question:
What are your thoughts and/or experience with rebuilding a sunken sailboat? I am considering having one floated and rebuilding her. She’s been down about a year in freshwater. It is believed to have been an act of vandalism, not a hull issue. I am not certain what it is, but I’m leaning towards it being a 1977 Morgan 382. Engine wasn’t operable when she sank, which isn’t a problem for me as I was strongly considering an electric conversion anyway. I guess my biggest concern is with the hull and deck. I expect to replace everything on the interior and I’m not in a hurry to finish the project, more of a hobby. Thanks for any input you may have to offer.

Here is a view of the boat from space before she sank. Anyone want to try an guess what make she is? The marina doesn’t know and I haven’t been able to get a pic of the entire registration number, just a partial.

 

[Urban Hermit]

Find one that's gone to seed in a boatyard, not under water. If the hull on that one is cored, it's unrepairable. I recently saw a 40-someting Endeavor up on blocks that had had a $45,000 restoration and then been left alone for five years (divorce, court entanglements, etc.). It suffered significant water infiltration, which froze/thawed/refroze repeatedly until ice cracked the hull. Total loss. My boat junk guy, extremely capable, took a whole day looking at it before he accepted it, and did so only as junk. Had the keel removed immediately so he wouldn't be tempted to try a restoration. He's parting out the usables.

 

[Grumps]

Find one that's gone to seed in a boatyard, not under water. If the hull on that one is cored, it's unrepairable. I recently saw a 40-someting Endeavor up on blocks that had had a $45,000 restoration and then been left alone for five years (divorce, court entanglements, etc.). It suffered significant water infiltration, which froze/thawed/refroze repeatedly until ice cracked the hull. Total loss. My boat junk guy, extremely capable, took a whole day looking at it before he accepted it, and did so only as junk. Had the keel removed immediately so he wouldn't be tempted to try a restoration. He's parting out the usables.

Thanks. Once I find out what it is I will be able to make a decision. There aren’t any real boat yards around me and I’m not actively looking for a project, but I am intrigue by this one.

 

[Michael Davis]

I recently watched a YouTube video of Sailing Magic Carpet
If you go back to the beginning of this series you’ll see a four year rebuild of a boat that was never submerged. Great story of perseverance.

 

[Grumps]

I recently watched a YouTube video of Sailing Magic Carpet
If you go back to the beginning of this series you’ll see a four year rebuild of a boat that was never submerged. Great story of perseverance.

Their previous boat was dropped and the aft end had to be completely rebuilt, but I’m no Aladdin…