Stowing Winch Handles

Apr 11, 2020
766
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
What cracked me up at the last boat show was the number of boats with "fake" carbon fiber finishes on countertops and bulkheads. That's just embarrassing. Stupid when I see it in cars too. They get negative points from me every time I see it.
Agreed. True carbon fiber is amazing, though. A fellow sailor showed me his carbon fiber spinnaker pole (that sounds obscene, I know), and it was amazingly light. If my whisker pole wasn't already light enough I would be tempted to make one from from carbon fiber.
 
Dec 28, 2015
1,886
Laser, Hunter H30 Cherubini Tacoma
I have two winches on either side of the cockpit. When underway the handles are stored on the winch’s. The rule is that they don’t get laid down. Normally they sit on the smaller rear ones so I can wrap the 40ST Genoa winches.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
I have two winches on either side of the cockpit. When underway the handles are stored on the winch’s. The rule is that they don’t get laid down. Normally they sit on the smaller rear ones so I can wrap the 40ST Genoa winches.
I am not sure of all the reasons, but I was taught to never leave the winch handles in the winches. Also, as you point out, it's tough to wrap a line on when there's a handle in it.
 
Apr 11, 2020
766
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
I am not sure of all the reasons, but I was taught to never leave the winch handles in the winches. Also, as you point out, it's tough to wrap a line on when there's a handle in it.
I started a thread on this very subject, and aside from the fact that it impedes wrapping the winch (and unwrapping, for that matter), there are some who say that if the winch mechanism fails (i.e. pawl failure), the winch and handle will spin rapidly with potential for damage to crew or boat. Some respondents are not convinced this is not a likely hazard, saying that they have never seen or heard of it happening. I suppose that if winch components are badly worn or damaged that this could occur. Seasonal maintenance of winches - with proper replacement of any deficient parts - should prevent this from happening.

Here's a link to the thread: Winch handle safe use

When racing, the practice on my boat is to keep the winch handle in place on the loaded winch if the need to tighten the sheet is anticipated. Once we are close-hauled, the handle is placed in its storage net. In preparation for an upcoming tack, we wrap the "lazy" winch and put the handle in place. This puts the handle where it needs to be ahead of time, speeding up the process of trimming for a close-hauled reach, and also preventing it from being on the loaded winch when its time to free the loaded jib sheet.
 
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jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
I started a thread on this very subject, and aside from the fact that it impedes wrapping the winch (and unwrapping, for that matter), there are some who say that if the winch mechanism fails (i.e. pawl failure), the winch and handle will spin rapidly with potential for damage to crew or boat. Some respondents are not convinced this is a real hazard, saying that they have never seen or heard of it happening. I suppose that if winch components are badly worn or damaged that this could occur. Seasonal maintenance of winches - with proper replacement of any deficient parts - should prevent this from happening.

Here's a link to the thread: Winch handle safe use
Thanks. Yes, I was aware of, but didn't want to get into the discussion of failed winch horror stories! :)

I had a winch fail, a broken gear. Fortunately it wasn't under a great load. I can imagine if it was a primary with a jib sheet on it, it could have been bad.
 
Apr 11, 2020
766
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
Thanks. Yes, I was aware of, but didn't want to get into the discussion of failed winch horror stories! :)

I had a winch fail, a broken gear. Fortunately it wasn't under a great load. I can imagine if it was a primary with a jib sheet on it, it could have been bad.
A good point (broken gear). My winches are simple single-speed. I imagine the more parts (such as in a two-speed winch), the greater the possibility of failure.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,259
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
My 3 handles sit in their pockets until I use it…. so, 1 may sit in the halyard winch once I tighten up the halyard. One of the 2 jib sheet winches will have.a handle in it after I tighten the jib sheet.

Prior to a tack, I remove the handle, and place it in it’s pocket. After the tack, the other winch handle goes in the opposite winch, and stays there until I tack again, or get ready to fuel in the jib.

Greg
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,107
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Not a fan of the vinyl holders. Bunch of holes in the boat, and they get dirty looking quickly.

For many years, I've used a piece of PVC pipe from Home Depot. Big enough around for the winch shaft and bit to go in. And just long enough so that when you pull the winch handle out of it, the bit doesn't get hung up on the bottom lip of the pipe. So, length of shaft plus half an inch.

You just cut the stuff with a handsaw, and the writing on it comes off with acetone. Clean up your rough cut with some sandpaper. I drill a couple holes about an inch from the top, about an inch or so apart, and do the same thing about an inch from the bottom. Then thread some cord through the holes to attach it top and bottom to a stanchion or in my case, the forward upright of the stern railing.

They don't need a bottom, because the grip portion of the winch handle keeps the handle from falling through. I don't recall the diameter of pipe I used, but it must be close to 3", so jamming the handle in there is quick and easy.

Bear in mind, I'm in Michigan, but I've yet to see one of these turn yellow from UV. And they look just fine. Nobody notices them. In my case, they're just a few inches from each of my Genoa winches. I should add another one to attach to my dodger supports so I could have a third winch handle for the cabin top winches for the halyards.

And, you can't beat the price.
Interesting idea. My vinyl holder has slots in the sides near the back and is strapped to the pedestal with SS hose clamps rather than screws. It actually has no screw holes. If I can’t find the same thing when it’s time to replace it (It’s at least 25 years old.), I may use your idea, or some variation of it.
 
Apr 8, 2011
771
Hunter 40 Deale, MD
I have two winches on either side of the cockpit. When underway the handles are stored on the winch’s. The rule is that they don’t get laid down. Normally they sit on the smaller rear ones so I can wrap the 40ST Genoa winches.
I'm my own worst enemy when it comes to "laying stuff down". I've lost at least one winch handle by laying it on a coach roof "just for a second", and Neptune quickly took that off my hands. I ended up buying two of the foldable winch handles (at a great discount from someone selling off their cruising gear), and those stay on the jib winches while away from the dock, folded out of the way until needed. They take some getting used to, but I've grown to like them.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
I confess my "issue" here is that I wouldn't mind at all having a couple of those white vinyl winch handle holders, but I have a thing about drilling holes in the boat.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,761
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
A friend had a vinyl winch handle holder that he never installed because he didn't want to drill holes in his cockpit.
I keep a few YKK SNAD adhesive fasteners mentioned earlier around so I installed snaps top and bottom on the holder and snapped on SNADs. He was very happy to finally be able to install the holder without drilling holes.
 
Apr 11, 2020
766
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
A friend had a vinyl winch handle holder that he never installed because he didn't want to drill holes in his cockpit.
I keep a few YKK SNAD adhesive fasteners mentioned earlier around so I installed snaps top and bottom on the holder and snapped on SNADs. He was very happy to finally be able to install the holder without drilling holes.
The YKK SNADs could be a good solution here as well. They are what is supplied with the vinyl nets I love so much. They do fail after time (some last a season, others last years). I keep a supply of spares on hand (available from Sailrite).
 
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Mar 26, 2011
3,609
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
This stuff. 3M Dual Lock tape.
Dual Lock is sort of a snap-into-place product. Very strong and stable, good for mounting things that will not move often, such as access panels, fiberglass window covers, semi-flex solar panels, EZ Pass transpojnders to glass, or even sheet and winch handle pockets. But I have used Velcro on winch handles, and this is the wrong product for this job. Regular HD Velcro is what you want. That is what the racers all use.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,107
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Dual Lock is sort of a snap-into-place product. Very strong and stable, good for mounting things that will not move often, such as access panels, fiberglass window covers, semi-flex solar panels, EZ Pass transpojnders to glass, or even sheet and winch handle pockets. But I have used Velcro on winch handles, and this is the wrong product for this job. Regular HD Velcro is what you want. That is what the racers all use.
I was recommending Dual Lock, in lieu of drilling screw holes, to securely mount vinyl winch handle pockets. If you are talking about using Velcro directly on winch handles like some racers do, then yes, I agree that regular Velcro is the way to go.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,609
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I was recommending Dual Lock, in lieu of drilling screw holes, to securely mount vinyl winch handle pockets. If you are talking about using Velcro directly on winch handles like some racers do, then yes, I agree that regular Velcro is the way to go.
I saw Dual Lock used for that purpose on an open 50. Must work.