Starting Battery won't hold a charge

Jan 11, 2014
12,703
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
To properly size the wire, start with the charging source. How much current can the battery charger or alternator produce? The cable must be large enough (small number) to safely carry the current. Next measure the distance from Battery 1 to the ACR and the ACR to Battery 2, add those numbers together. Go to BlueSea.com and use their Circuit Wizard to size the cable to carry the current with a 3% or less loss.

Now that you have the cable size, look at the chart in the ACR instructions and it will guide you to the correct fuse size.

There are many ways to fuse the cable. For a battery cable I like to use MRBF Terminal Fuse blocks. The two fuse holder allows the ACR cable and the load cable to be attached to the battery.

Like any skill, time, practice, and guidance are needed to develop the skills and knowledge. I do encourage you to buy one of the books I suggested and read it thoroughly. Also MarineHowTo.com is a great source of information.
 
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Jan 12, 2019
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Hunter 340 Narragansett
Thank you Dave,
The books are on order as of last night.
The distance from the ACR to the 2 banks are 1 1/2 and 2 feet away. I’m heading over to the Circuit Wizard right now.
Thank you for clearing this up for me and directing me to the proper Fuse Blocks, Book etc.
It’s Greatly appreciated.
 
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Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I don't know why I get so confused with the Wire size and fusing in this project. And it comes across in my writing. I think I write faster as I am thinking about the setup and its comes out wrong.
The 12 ga wire and InLine Fuse Holder I have, is for the Ground Wire from the ACR to the Ground Bar.
So what I need to know is the Wire Cable Size from the ACR to the Battery Banks and what type of Fuse Holder I get before both battery Banks.
I have 2/0 Cables now, both Ground and Feed wires to each bank. So I am thinking I should get the same size (2/0) for the ACR. But what Fuse Holder? And what size Fuse?
As "dlochner" (Dave) has suggested, a 6 ga cable fused at 75-90 is great and thank you. And I plan to do just that, either in 6 or 2 gauge.
Where is this type of Fused Cable available? Or is it a Cable to a separate Fuse Holder that I attach to each Battery?
Thank you again for bearing with me and thank you Dave.
If you are using a Blue Sea ACR, I don't understand why you would be installing a 12 AWG ground. The instructions show a 16 AWG ground wired to the negative buss. It shows a 1 amp fuse, which is very small. Typically, people use one of those in-line holders with a small glass fuse or a spade type fuse in these small sizes. That's all you need on the negative side.

For the positive side, you would select a cable depending upon the charging amperage. Dave is suggesting using 6 AWG from the ACR positive terminals to the battery bank positive terminals. You should have a fuse at the battery terminals or within 7 inches of the battery terminals. He is suggesting 75 (minimum) amp fuses for each battery terminal. You are not going to do this with "in-line" fuse holders. There are a variety of fuse holders made and you should read about each style and determine which is best for you. I have used MRBF fuse blocks directly on the battery terminals and have been pleased with the installation. Another style that you should consider is MEGA/AMG. These are intended for larger fuses.

I think that 2/0 Gauge is far larger a cable size than you need for the cables between the battery banks and the ACR. You have 2/0 for the battery leads, between batteries and the system ground (negative) and from batteries to the selector switch (positive). You should have the positive cable fused at the battery (one fuse for each bank). These would be larger fuses, and again, you need a proper fuse terminal for each fuse. The MRBF conveniently makes a fuse holder with a double holder so that you can have 2 different fuses at one location serving 2 separate cables (one for the battery cable to the switch and one for the ACR cable going to the ACR.

To limit your confusion, you must consider that the purpose of the fuse is to protect the cable or wire from melting at over-amperage conditions. Basically, the fuse protects the wire. The fuses at the battery aren't intended to protect the battery or any devices. The fuse must be sized to accommodate the cable or wire size, that's it. Some devices, like radios and electronics, use a small "in-line" fuse intended to protect only the device. That's why you often see a small fuse holder attached to the positive lead from an electronic device. Keep in mind that when you step down in cable/wire size, you should have a fuse where the step-down occurs. This probably occurs where the battery cable is attached to the selector switch and then there may be something like a 6, 8 or 10 AWG leading to the electrical panel. You need a fuse there to protect the smaller wire leading to the panel. You probably have a 2/0 cable from the selector switch to the engine starter. You don't have a step down there so you don't need an additional fuse.

Study all of the wiring diagrams that have been posted. They will help understand.
 
Jan 12, 2019
107
Hunter 340 Narragansett
Scott,
I’m using the 12 AWG because I have one. I figured the extra size isn’t going to hurt and since I already have one why not use it.
The 6AWG Cable is proving to be more difficult to find. The 2 and 4 AWG are more readily available in the length I need (a little less than 18 inches from the battery terminal to the ACR terminal).
The double MRBF Holder seems to be a good fit, but I’ll look at MEGA/AMP you suggest. If anything I’m open to all suggestions.
The different cable sizes, is coming down to availability, more than anything. The price differences is about $2, between the 2 and 4 AWG cables. So that‘s not an issue.
Like I said I’m open to all suggestions and since this project is starting to take real shape now and I can see the finished look of the whole thing, your help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you. I‘m going to go look at the MEGA/Amp.