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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,516
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
No idea @rgranger. The boat owner was not there to ask. The boat was just so cute and Ken was thinking Man I could have fun with a boat like that.
They are small one man tugs. The boat is like the log pond tugs used up here in the Pacific NW to push the logs around the pond and to the mill for processing.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
John is it true the west side of Vashon Island the currents always flow North up Colvos Passage?
According to the literature, the answer would be "Yes". HOWEVER ... I think there are exceptions, and part of the exceptions will be that it depends on were one is in the passage. Near the shore, especially, there will be back-eddies that are counter to the main flow. Trying to either find them to help (depending on which way one is going), or avoid them, is a hit a hit-or-miss affair. I haven't been south for several years so I don't remember the details.

Going through Tacoma Narrows, though, can be a challenge because the current really flows there. Going south against the current it is best to really hug the west shore and that will really, really help. Max ebb and one is motoring along the shore against the center channel current going 3 to 4 knots and you're doing 8 or 9 knots speed over ground! Nice!!! At least up to near Point Fosdick, then it's business as usual! Going north the east shore is helpful.

The channel between McNeil Island and Anderson Island, Balch Passage, has an area where it narrows and there are rocks in the middle of the channel. It's a challenge to figure out which way to get around Anderson - clockwise or counter-clockwise, depends on winds, currents, and distance. The easy and least stressful way is to just go via the Nisqually reach.

There are counter currents all over the place in South Sound so taking notes on what works, or doesn't, and where, noting flood, ebb, or slack, will be helpful for future trips. Maps that show the bottom contours will be helpful. There are some paper current charts one can get for trip planning and digital charts can have current overlays. The digital chart that I use doesn't have the current details for back-eddies, just a big arrow indicating speed.

Back eddies can be your friend if one works them right; however, this often means running close to the shore and there can be large under-water rocks, "most" of them are marked on a nautical chart.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,516
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The back eddies are nice to know about. You can see them on the currents chart. I have experienced the back eddies traveling from Port Townsend to Everett.
When Running from Foulweather Bluff to Point No Point there is a counter current when running through Skunk Bay. You can see the tidal rip and if you stay shore side you can get as much as 2 knot difference counter current flow. After that you just have to head across the main stream to get to Possession Pt. Running up Possession Sound you can find back currents (eddies) on either side at least as far as Clinton on Whidbey.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,516
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Trying to sneak through Deception Passage against the current is a fruitless for a sailboat once the current gets above 5 knots. Just turn back and have a bit of tea at Cornet Bay or Burrows Bay and try again at the slack.
 
Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
No idea @rgranger. The boat owner was not there to ask. The boat was just so cute and Ken was thinking Man I could have fun with a boat like that.
They are small one man tugs. The boat is like the log pond tugs used up here in the Pacific NW to push the logs around the pond and to the mill for processing.
I talked with the owner/builder. He was having some fun with all the attention he was getting. I think he said he built it from plans. Here in the Northwest the tiny cabin makes sense but you'd never get a second person out of the rain. I think he said it's 10 feet.

Ken
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,516
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The boat captain on a log tug let the young sure footed boys use the poles and run the log rafts. Besides it is slippery and dangerous out side of the cabin.

And who really likes wearing corkies.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Mark - here are a few references that would be helpful:
Bayliner chartlet: This is one of those plasticized charts that one uses as a placemat. Helpful for overall planning purposes while drinking coffee with some goodie. Okay to spill stuff on it because it is easy to wipe off.
Evergreen Pacific "Cruising Atlas": Helpful for getting a closer look at areas on the placemat and using with a cruising guide. Not plasticized and not okay to spill stuff on it. ;-)
Waggoner Cruising Guide - information about destinations
A Cruising Guide to Puget Sound and the San Juan Islands - ditto above
Way back when there was a publication, long since out of print, that had minute details about the currents and showed the locations of counter currents. A more recent version of this is published by Starpath and is called "Tidal Currents of Puget Sound" with page 81 showing South Sound. However, it is nowhere near as informative for a sailboater as the original was. This pub only shows, like, one page of a tidal swing while the original showed numerous pages of the tidal cycle, and the original was a full page in size whereas this pub has the single page reduced about 3/4ths. The new pub does reference the original and has copyright permission.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,516
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
For the primary current movements you can try " DEEPZOOM.com "
Graphic and you can adjust dates to your cruising time. Works in a browser.
 

MitchK

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Sep 22, 2017
102
Capital Yachts Newport 28 Burbank, WA
Ice Harbor lock is an experience no one should miss. The downstream gate lifts over ?? (Over 70’) so this 100+ foot tall gate is above you as you enter from down stream, dripping water all over you (many many tons). The lift is about 100’ and fast so have knives ready at each floating bollard you “tie” to Incase it sticks (they do). What fun
Our Newport 28 is located at the Ice Harbor Marina above Ice Harbor Dam. The lock is indeed an experience, and the lift is around 100ft and the lock fills and empties pretty fast! More important is the below the dam channel. It is fairly narrow, there is a fair amount of barge traffic and depending on time of year, the current is fairly fast. Shared the lock a time or two with a tug and a couple of barges. The lock master let us out first, and running engine wide open, the barges still caught up to us just before we got to the Columbia River. I did let them know that my max speed was only about 6.5 knts, so I think they took their time getting the barges out of the lock. So, well worth the trip, just be careful.
 
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May 20, 2016
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Catalina 36 MK1 94 Everett, WA
@MitchM I was one of the first to have my C22 at Ice Harbor in the early 80’s. At that time there was only moorage on the wall, no docks.

Les
 

MitchM

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Jan 20, 2005
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Nauticat 321 pilothouse 32 Erie PA
thanks for the tag -- but i think mitchK is your intended recipient !
 

MitchK

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Sep 22, 2017
102
Capital Yachts Newport 28 Burbank, WA
Hi Les, the marina has had some upgrades since then. There are no finger docks along the wall, and a longer dock with finger docks near the boat ramp. Not sure if they has the break water in at that time. Not a bad little marina, and the marina staff a great people. Here are a couple of screen shots from when we went down and came back through the lock in Nov of 2017. We had purchased the boat a couple of months before, and were taking it down river to a marina in Kennewick that has a hydraulic haul out trailer to be hauled so I could inspect the hull and zincs. She wasn't in too bad of shape considering she had not been hauled in about 15 years. A few blisters, but nothing major. When I finally get the trailer I purchased for it modified and the boat on it and fitted, I will do the blister repair and give it a good coat of bottom paint. Hope you enjoy the pictures.

Mitch
 

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