I think this system makes the most sense. I've often thought that a jackline that allows you to go overboard is too much of a hindrance for recovery. This would seem to solve that problem.One of the suggested preparations was to run two sets of jacklines, one inboard as you normally would and another stretched tight outboard from the bow cleats, under the rubrail to the stern of the boat where we had to have a ladder of some sort to get back aboard. We were required to have a double tether as well. The idea being that if you are clipped on to the inboard jackline and get launched over or through the lifelines, chances of pulling yourself back up are slim. But, with the double tether, you could theoretically, clip on to the outboard lifeline, release or cut (knife attached to vest also a requirement) the first tether and basically zipline to the back of the boat to the awaiting ladder.
I run them over everything (races, offshore and overnighters). I'd sure like to know how others keep them from fouling.One question/though on jack lines: For those that use them, how do you run them? I've been on boats that run them over everything, so you never have to unclip going bow to stern. On other boats, the jack lines are buried under other things so you have to unclip every so often (I think that's a good example of when you want the double clip, so you're never detached from the baot)
The reality is that if one goes overboard on a tether in "rough conditions", one is most likely to be so disoriented and quite possibly injured (anything from a head injury to broken bones or even be knocked unconscious), that further action in a timely fashion would be improbable. That leaves one being bashed against the side of the boat repeatedly.Several years ago I participated in a 100 mile solo challenge/race. It was a preparatory race for the much longer Solo Trans-Superior Race on Lake Superior. It was an overnight race and in rough conditions so I took precautions very seriously. One of the suggested preparations was to run two sets of jacklines, one inboard as you normally would and another stretched tight outboard from the bow cleats, under the rubrail to the stern of the boat where we had to have a ladder of some sort to get back aboard. We were required to have a double tether as well. The idea being that if you are clipped on to the inboard jackline and get launched over or through the lifelines, chances of pulling yourself back up are slim. But, with the double tether, you could theoretically, clip on to the outboard lifeline, release or cut (knife attached to vest also a requirement) the first tether and basically zipline to the back of the boat to the awaiting ladder. I have a swim platform and ladder there so I it is a viable option. Never tested in real life however. The photo is at the tail end of the race, sailing in the fog as the conditions eased. Note the strobe, and handheld VHF attached to my vest. Knife is barely visible, also tethered to my vest along with a whistle. My vest is a whitewater kayaking vest with a nice pocket on the front to hold everything.
I am afraid that this is one of these fantasies that are believed in, based on some movies or other stories. You are as likely to bring yourself back to the boat as you are going to climb the rope hand over hand hanging from a cliff. I have seen it done in the movies, so it must be real.It's a wonderful fantasy that you will be able to just snap a second tether to a second jackline and reach a knife, slip down the side of the boat uninjured and still have the ability and strength to pull yourself up a ladder to safety, but I sure wouldn't bet MY life on it.
A non-folding knife is better than a folding knife and should always be handy when you are on a sailboat in sporty conditions or on a river raft or on a river with ropes nearby. However, a safer way to prepare for a need to release from a tether is to have the tether ring on webbing that has a quick-release buckle. See rescue PFDs; they all have it.... Always wear a a non-folding knife too so I can cut my self off the tether.
Where did you find your PFD? I have one of those that drapes around my shoulders and is water activated.. It's still bulky IMO, and it has gone off a couple times just getting wet from spray.While I always wear a fanny pack PFD when sailing, I do not use a safety harness as I think if I fell overboard the harness would ensure a longer period of drowning.
My next solution is a Dinghy Cannon. You know those air cannons that fire T shirts at basketball games? This would be like that. Triggered automatically, it would fire an inflatable dinghy which, while in mid-air, would inflate and land next to you in the water. Then you could just climb in.
Ha! It would blow 200 ft down wind of you b/f it hit the water, and just keep going.My next solution is a Dinghy Cannon. You know those air cannons that fire T shirts at basketball games? This would be like that. Triggered automatically, it would fire an inflatable dinghy which, while in mid-air, would inflate and land next to you in the water. Then you could just climb in.
Very well said, Capta. I hope others will take your observations to heart. I think the idea of catching and then hanging on to a trailing line also falls into the "fantasy" category.The re
The reality is that if one goes overboard on a tether in "rough conditions", one is most likely to be so disoriented and quite possibly injured (anything from a head injury to broken bones or even be knocked unconscious), that further action in a timely fashion would be improbable. That leaves one being bashed against the side of the boat repeatedly.
It's a wonderful fantasy that you will be able to just snap a second tether to a second jackline and reach a knife, slip down the side of the boat uninjured and still have the ability and strength to pull yourself up a ladder to safety, but I sure wouldn't bet MY life on it.
What's so hard about just not going overboard? Neither I, nor any of my crew have gone overboard in more 50 years in my career as a professional mariner. That includes a circumnavigation and numerous transAts and transPacs under sail long before the term 'weather window' was coined and WWV/H was the ONLY weather source. The point being that back then the chances of encountering "rough conditions" were considerably greater without the sat weather data available to every mariner on the water today.
Prevention in this case, beats thousands of dollars worth of cure.
Yes, but forgive--the boat will NEVER "stop" to the wind if there is any wind. It will always be making way toward its lee, engine off, sails down or luffing-- whatever (unless anchored). I can assure you and the others that unless you're a veritable Johnny Weissmuller reincarnate in loin skin or Speedo only, you're not going to catch it!!btw. there are watches that can act as remotes. Garmin has one (Quatix), but I bet, there are others. No need for an app. And it is waterproof. Not that it solves the issue of how could you steer the boat from the water and not run yourself over. But at least you can disengage the autopilot, so the boat would start doing circles or stop to the wind.
I would like to see, though, how one could manage to chase that boat in any kind of sea state.
Or you could just tow the dinghy. Or even easier, a kayak. On a 50 foot line at 6 knots you'd have a tad over 5 seconds to intercept the line/kayak. Once aboard the kayak, just pull yourself towards the stern ladder. Supervised practice might be in order.I agree that dragging the line is not much of safety cushion. You would have to be lucky and a pretty strong swimmer to get to it before it got away not to mention the problems with dragging a line. How many times would you forget it was there and catch it with the prop? The main thing is getting the boat to stop and wait for you. That means disabling the auto pilot. Next, you gotta be able to get in the boat. I think a short line off the back rail that could be reached from the water and, when pulled, would bring the ladder down would be the solution.