Does anyone have any experience with a smaller jib on an Oday 23? I sail on Rainy Lake (200,000 acres, 40 miles long) in Northern Minnesota. It's been a windy summer, with several days with winds over 30 mph. I am out in these conditions a couple of times each season and have wished for something less than my 100% working jib, even with a double reefed main. I do have a storm jib, but it is tiny and the boat doesn't point very well with it. I am thinking about having reef points installed in my working jib, or getting a new sail and having this one cut down to a smaller size. I have sailed this boat for five years on Rainy Lake, often with larger boats and really believe the key to sailing this boat on a large body of water is matching your sail size to the conditions. Any suggestions?
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We would love some winds like that
sorry for your difficulty we would live some winds like that. I do not have any suggestions but enjoyed reading your link
sorry for your difficulty we would live some winds like that. I do not have any suggestions but enjoyed reading your link
i bought a smaller, used sail from bacon sails which i use with a reefed main for windy conditons. i have bought several sails over the years from them and never had a problem.
http://www.baconsails.com/
http://www.baconsails.com/
Small Jib
I sail on Lake Erie and pretty much only sail in winds above 15 mph, have not had the #1 out of the bag this year. I use a 4ft reef in the main, I only have one, and a storm jib off a Hunter 25. This combination works up to 30mph and by easing the main I can go a bit higher without rounding up. I will say, this only works because I have modified the rudder. This year I am having a new main made with two reefs one a bit smaller and one significantly deeper. It will also have full length battens to calm the sail while reefing. Good luck and it is a good boat.
I sail on Lake Erie and pretty much only sail in winds above 15 mph, have not had the #1 out of the bag this year. I use a 4ft reef in the main, I only have one, and a storm jib off a Hunter 25. This combination works up to 30mph and by easing the main I can go a bit higher without rounding up. I will say, this only works because I have modified the rudder. This year I am having a new main made with two reefs one a bit smaller and one significantly deeper. It will also have full length battens to calm the sail while reefing. Good luck and it is a good boat.
rudder modifications?
I am curious about how and why you modified the rudder on your Oday 23? The only time I have wished for more rudder was when running downwind in sustained 30 mph winds (with gusts to 40 according to NWS) which piled up 4 to 6 foot waves. I was running with a double reefed main only and had to work (steer) really hard to keep the bow pointed forward and prevent getting broached or rounded up (not sure which is the proper term in this case). In spite of my best efforts to anticipate and steer in the opposite direction it happened a couple of times. Once the wind hit our side we spun around so fast that we scooped water over the aft end of the cockpit coamings. However, even though I was worried about it and thought at times that we couldn't have much rudder left in the water. We sailed over 20 miles in those conditions. Needless to say, I was a very tired (and relieved) skipper when I reached the other end of the lake and safe harbor.
I am curious about how and why you modified the rudder on your Oday 23? The only time I have wished for more rudder was when running downwind in sustained 30 mph winds (with gusts to 40 according to NWS) which piled up 4 to 6 foot waves. I was running with a double reefed main only and had to work (steer) really hard to keep the bow pointed forward and prevent getting broached or rounded up (not sure which is the proper term in this case). In spite of my best efforts to anticipate and steer in the opposite direction it happened a couple of times. Once the wind hit our side we spun around so fast that we scooped water over the aft end of the cockpit coamings. However, even though I was worried about it and thought at times that we couldn't have much rudder left in the water. We sailed over 20 miles in those conditions. Needless to say, I was a very tired (and relieved) skipper when I reached the other end of the lake and safe harbor.
Modified Rudder
Kepeters
If you click "Bikes-n-Boats" then look at my prior posts (1-25-09) I describe why and how I modified the rudder. The why is the short fat rudder stalls like a wing at too high an angle of attack (the tiller pulled toward you).
Also under those conditions you were unbalanced with no jib. I would have dropped the main and tacked down wind with only the smallest head-sail on-board.
Hope this helps,
Clark
Kepeters
If you click "Bikes-n-Boats" then look at my prior posts (1-25-09) I describe why and how I modified the rudder. The why is the short fat rudder stalls like a wing at too high an angle of attack (the tiller pulled toward you).
Also under those conditions you were unbalanced with no jib. I would have dropped the main and tacked down wind with only the smallest head-sail on-board.
Hope this helps,
Clark
Lord Nelson,
Yes, I think it would have helped if I'd have trailed something off the stern. I've heard of tying several fenders together with lines to each stern cleat in sort of a big U. I also wonder about one of the drift socks used by fishermen to slow their boats down while drifting. Of course, I didn't think about any of that while underway in those conditions.
Yes, I think it would have helped if I'd have trailed something off the stern. I've heard of tying several fenders together with lines to each stern cleat in sort of a big U. I also wonder about one of the drift socks used by fishermen to slow their boats down while drifting. Of course, I didn't think about any of that while underway in those conditions.
Re: Modified Rudder
Bikesnboats,
Thanks for the reference to your previous posts on rudder modifications etc. on the Oday 23. I got a new mainsail this year and found the boat does not heel as much and it points better. I was out cruising last weekend with an Aloha 27 and Erickson 29 and was able to keep up (and at times ahead) of them in light and moderate airs.
You are right about the boat be unbalanced running downwind with just the mainsail. I started the day with one reef and my working jib. When that got to be too much, I switched to my storm jib, which got things under control again. Next, I put the second reef in the main. When that was still too much, I pulled down the storm jib and ran with main alone. This was a regatta (10 boats participating) and I was running right alongside a CandC 25 for much of the race. He was running with just a headsail and was having a much easier time than I. I just didn't feel like sending my inexperienced crew back up on deck to do another sail change, so just hung on (I finished in 7th place). I guess this is one of the reasons why I enjoy sailing; I've been at it for about 35 years and am still learning. Thanks again for the advice!
KP
Bikesnboats,
Thanks for the reference to your previous posts on rudder modifications etc. on the Oday 23. I got a new mainsail this year and found the boat does not heel as much and it points better. I was out cruising last weekend with an Aloha 27 and Erickson 29 and was able to keep up (and at times ahead) of them in light and moderate airs.
You are right about the boat be unbalanced running downwind with just the mainsail. I started the day with one reef and my working jib. When that got to be too much, I switched to my storm jib, which got things under control again. Next, I put the second reef in the main. When that was still too much, I pulled down the storm jib and ran with main alone. This was a regatta (10 boats participating) and I was running right alongside a CandC 25 for much of the race. He was running with just a headsail and was having a much easier time than I. I just didn't feel like sending my inexperienced crew back up on deck to do another sail change, so just hung on (I finished in 7th place). I guess this is one of the reasons why I enjoy sailing; I've been at it for about 35 years and am still learning. Thanks again for the advice!
KP
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