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Oct 6, 2011
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CM 32 USA
Did you know there are injection needle lubricants that a nurse could use to reduce the pain and discomfort one feels when getting a shot or blood draw? In 500 such procedures, maybe one nurse will take the time to add that extra step, or add the step to place a topical pain reliever on the skin before the needle stick. Why is that? They are too busy? They think it is no big deal? They are improperly trained? Cost of doing this for everyone? Maybe all of the above? Ask your nurse to use a lube and topical the next time your kids get a shot, they will not feel anything compared to the last time. Lubrication is not just for your combustion engines.

I did a major rebuild of my V8 motorcycle a number of years ago. I did a funny car rebuild project to it. I widened the gap between the two fuel tanks, and replaced the factory ZZ4 Crate Engine intake manifold with a high rise manifold that held two four barrel carbs. In taking the engine apart, the mechanic asked me what oil I used in my engine? I told him, rotella T, which I used at the time. He asked me what else I was using, and I asked him how he knew I was using something else? He said my engine had zero signs of ever having been used. No wear, no sludge, no used engines smells, nothing that showed the engine was being used as an engine except the points had signs of use, and the plugs had carbon on them. He said it looked like a new engine. I told him I used X-1R. This bike had hundreds of hours on it, thousands of miles, been at or near two hundred miles an hour on both street and dyno. It was a used engine, but well cared for.

I don't sell this stuff. I really do not care if any of you guys try fuel additives, or oil additives. Makes no difference to me. But it does bother me, knowing many people think all this oil jazz is just a bunch of noise, and all oil is the same. It is not. I would not put most major brands of oil any place close to my vehicles. The most popular brands are high in ash, low in quality and barely pass quality control standards they themselves made for the industry they own. In other words, in the world of oils, the inmates are running the assylum. Most people today have a big brand name oil in their car. Pensoil, quaker state, or other such oils. Yes, that is engine oil, by the engine oil standards they themselves established. I choose not to run that stuff in my vehicles. Never. Car manufactures use that stuff, and recommend it for their cars, so it must be good. Right? Remember, they like to sell new cars, and sell you repairs on your old one.

You need a certain amount of wear to get all the piston rings to work properly. This is after one or two oil changes. Then I add my oil additives.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,704
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I don't sell this stuff. I really do not care if any of you guys try fuel additives, or oil additives. Makes no difference to me. But it does bother me, knowing many people think all this oil jazz is just a bunch of noise, and all oil is the same. It is not. I would not put most major brands of oil any place close to my vehicles.
And yet I know many people, myself included, who still get HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of thousands of miles using just plain old dinosaur oil. In most cases the car fails due to rust or an accident or other components long before an engine will. All you're doing is paying for something that in the end gets you no further ahead.

A local insurance adjuster got 1,000,000 miles, ONE MILLION, on a 1990 Honda Accord with the SAME oil you "would not let any place close to your vehicles". If you can get 200,000, 300,000, 400,000 or 1,000,000 miles out of plain old dino oil why do we really "need" anything more??
 

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Mar 24, 2010
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Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
And yet I know many people, myself included, who still get HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of thousands of miles using just plain old dinosaur oil. In most cases the car fails due to rust or an accident or other components long before an engine will. All you're doing is paying for something that in the end gets you no further ahead.
Lump me into that group!

I just got rid of my beloved 1988 Chevy stepside, which I loved dearly. The engine (5.7L small block V-8) had just shy of 300,000 miles on it and ran like it did when I first purchased it. I never put anything in it but Castrol GTX it's whole life and didn't even change it as regularly as I should have. Only got rid of it because I couldn't stand the wife and daughter complaining about riding in it any longer... the interior was no longer in pristine condition due to wear/age and it smelled distinctively like the dog, the transmission lost overdrive, radio had long since stopped working, cruise control would disengage for no apparent reason (when it was working at all), passenger side window was stuck in the up position and the ultimate complaint from the women was the A/C no longer working (went through two compressors and wasn't about to put in a third!). Had it been up to me, I would still have that truck and am sure I could get another couple hundred thousand miles out of it. It was the other stuff that caused it's demise. :cry:

Cheers,
Brad
 
Dec 8, 2007
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-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
if any of these miracle snake oils truely prevented wear or increased fuel efficency the vehicle manufactureres would add them at the factory as they spend millions to get an extra half a mile per gallon and millions more could be saved by them in warranty claims if all this friction could really be eliminated by a dollars worth additive.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
MrUnix, I had a similiar experience

I had a 1981 Chevy PU that I had bought new and had for 24 years and had over 250 miles on the original engine. I finally gave up on it because it had so many problems everywhere else, body, chassis. ect. I did change the oil regularly and tried to stay with the same brand although it was a house generic. The additive packages in modern crankcase oil is more than adaquet to promote longevity.
 
Oct 2, 2006
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Jboat J24 commack
Amazing my A4 is going strong approaching 42 years and it does not even have and oil filter let alone good oil :) for at least the first 35 years :)
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Tom, not to mention that Indigo Electronics makes kit

for a add on filter for Atomic4s.
 
Dec 9, 2006
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Oday 22 Hickory, NC
GaryMayo, you said,

"On the subject of additives. How many of us have diesel engines from before they changed the diesel fuel? I know I do. If you run straight pump diesel fuel in those older engines, you are starving your engine of several lubricants your engine needs to survive. Look into it. You can help the new fuel along by putting an additive in it from your local parts store, or check with your dealer."

That was a common misconception when we went from Low Sulphur Diesel, (LSD) to Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel, (ULSD). You better believe the gas companies put lubricants in the diesel to make it good. I am in the trucking field, no problems at all with the switchover!

Jack
 

JohnS

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Sep 25, 2008
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Islander (Wayfarer/McGlasson) 32 St Georges Harbor
I would bet you haven't! lol

Maybe, just maybe, you heard of NASA? If not, don't worry your head about it.

Nothing to see here, move along folks. lol
Well, I've heard of NASA. I work on site as a contractor. The link between this X-1R engine oil additive and the stuff they used for the shuttle mover is pretty damn thin. The stuff they came up with for the mover was track rail lube. They didn't put it in any engines. Then the company X-1R, decided they could start marketing lubes for a variety of other purposes. Naturally, these different purposes require lots of chemical variation. There may be a common substance among all their products but the effectiveness of the shuttle mover track lube is no indication of their engine oil additive. Very different requirements.

For more detail check out this link: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2007/ch_5.html
 
Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Amazing my A4 is going strong approaching 42 years and it does not even have and oil filter let alone good oil :) for at least the first 35 years :)
I spent a lot of time looking for the oil filter on my A4 The auto parts store didn't tell me that there isn't one on the A4 before they sold me one! :redface:
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Agree, the stuff for the NASA program, is not the exact stuff I use in my vehicles. I need to go faster than 1 MPH. lol

Well, I've heard of NASA. I work on site as a contractor. The link between this X-1R engine oil additive and the stuff they used for the shuttle mover is pretty damn thin. The stuff they came up with for the mover was track rail lube. They didn't put it in any engines. Then the company X-1R, decided they could start marketing lubes for a variety of other purposes. Naturally, these different purposes require lots of chemical variation. There may be a common substance among all their products but the effectiveness of the shuttle mover track lube is no indication of their engine oil additive. Very different requirements.

For more detail check out this link: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2007/ch_5.html
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Is every oil the same? Every gasoline? Or do they all use their own adtives?

Do some folks make fun of other folks that use one grade of gasoline or another?

Do some folks make fun of peope that drive one make of automobile?

My opinion, forums like this are for talking about products, and not about the people that use them. If I were a moderator of this forum, a few PM's would be going out in this thread.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,704
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Is every oil the same? Every gasoline? Or do they all use their own adtives?

Do some folks make fun of other folks that use one grade of gasoline or another?

Do some folks make fun of peope that drive one make of automobile?
I have not seen anyone making a direct personal attack in this thread..

GaryMayo;875965[B said:
]My opinion, forums like this are for talking about products[/b], and not about the people that use them.
As I read this thread that's what I see people having a discussion about products & the pro's & con's. Please show me where someone made a direct personal attack and it will be gone.

If I were a moderator of this forum, a few PM's would be going out in this thread.
To whom would these PM's be going? I just re-read the entire thread and didn't really read or see anyone directly making fun of you? I see lots of folks who don't agree with your opinion, and who have challenged your claims, such as "NASA", but beyond that this has been mild as far as threads go..
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Maine Sail, to be fair, my comment about the 200 mpg

was a dig. I don't think that anyone could call it a vicious attack. Anyway Big Windy upstaged me on that one. There are also the facts about the dubious advantages of the product. Among them is that Dupont that makes the teflon used in it will not let them use their name on the packaging.
 
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