Setting a storm jib

Ted

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Jan 26, 2005
1,278
C&C 110 Bay Shore, Long Island, NY
I thought this was a good example of why you should be prepared BEFORE the S@#t hits the fan. This is a video of a guy trying out his new storm jib at the dock. I can't imagine what would have happened if he were in real storm conditions and trying to do this. It's a long video but you'll get the point pretty quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHoQVCcuiE
 

FB111A

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May 4, 2013
36
Pacific Seacraft Crealock34 Belfast, Maine
This is the reason why military flight training emphasizes emergency procedures. When the feces hits the impeller is no time for on the job training. Like reefing early,rigging early is a lot smarter than the alternative.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,938
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
It looked like the clew plate was the cause of most of the problems. Short of getting a new head sail, I don't see how he is going to make bending the storm jib any easier. But even if he had a smaller clew plate, that zipper arrangement would be really hard to work on a pitching deck. At least it seems that way to me. I've hanked-on a storm jib while sitting on a pitching deck and it was hard to do... can't imagine trying to fumble with a zipper over a rolled head sail in those conditions. It seems like you almost have to standup to work that zipper. Standing on a pitching deck.... no thanks.

This past summer I sold my boat and got a new-2-me boat. This is my first boat with a roller furled head-sail. I've been thinking about installing a designated solent stay for the storm jib. Anyone have experience with one of those? If so, I'd love to hear how it worked for you.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Kudos to him for figuring it all out at the dock. Basically there's not much that fit or worked correctly. As calm as he seemed, his breathing gave away his frustration. I watched the entire video and saw a lot of my own frustration with sailing systems in him. Those power boats seemed like a lot less work. I would NEVER have posted this video for God and everybody to see. But I highly recommend everyone watch the whole thing.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,938
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Kudos to him for figuring it all out at the dock. Basically there's not much that fit or worked correctly. As calm as he seemed, his breathing gave away his frustration. I watched the entire video and saw a lot of my own frustration with sailing systems in him. Those power boats seemed like a lot less work. I would NEVER have posted this video for God and everybody to see. But I highly recommend everyone watch the whole thing.
Kermit: I agree! I hope my post didn't seem like a criticism of the sailor. I was just evaluating that particular system in light of my own experiences. It is always prudent to practice all of your systems in the best of conditions... at the docks or on the trailer ... and I'm grateful he did post that video. I now know that I do not want a storm jib like that :naughty:. I would not feel confident using it.
 
Dec 25, 2008
1,580
catalina 310 Elk River
Shame to see those nice teak decks blood stained after he has rammed those bare tows into the chin plate. This design will not work with the current clew plate.
 
Jan 1, 2006
8,004
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
The system reminds me of the "chute scoop," which in my experience was not workable. I agree the main problem here is the clew plate. Nevertheless the best systems are the simplest. I'm not sure dropping the furled jib and raising the storm jib on the "Boltrope" would be any more difficult. Using a dedicated stay would be even better. Center of effort more aft with a deeply reefed main would make a balanced sail plan. The storm jib should be on a pennant not only to improve visibility - which will be poor anyway - and to let waves wash under it so you don't have masses of moving water stressing the rig.
This video is a good example of why it's better to have your halyards at the mast and not led aft to the cockpit.
 

Buki

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Sep 24, 2013
60
Macgregor 26D Dallas - Lake Ray Hubbard
I thought this was a good example of why you should be prepared BEFORE the S@#t hits the fan. This is a video of a guy trying out his new storm jib at the dock. I can't imagine what would have happened if he were in real storm conditions and trying to do this. It's a long video but you'll get the point pretty quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHoQVCcuiE
Thanks for posting this. It must have taken a lot of courage for that guy to put up his video of this major fail. But for newbies like me, it is invaluable information.
 

LloydB

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Jan 15, 2006
927
Macgregor 22 Silverton
I can see good reason for making the BEFORE video of the stormsail for first time out of the box and into the wind. Putting up the storm sail would likely be done seldom as when it's not desirable to rely on reefing the furler, it would be as if it were new task each time.(under unusual conditions and such) The video allows for crew training even if single handed as there's chance to see layout and missteps as well as time to complete. As far as posting goes I'm thinking he may be a procrastinator like me and figures in order to get the AFTER video done, he needs extra incentive.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
For a boat with a furled headsail I think a wire luff storm sail, second halyard (or the spin halyard) and an additional tack attachment should be able to be rigged pretty cleanly and quickly.
The tack attachment could either be behind or off to the side of the stem head.
 

Ted

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Jan 26, 2005
1,278
C&C 110 Bay Shore, Long Island, NY
There is absolutely nothing for the poster of this video to be ashamed of. I am glad he posted the results of his initial attempt to set his storm jib with this sleeve type system. I was looking for a way to attach my storm jib to my boat where I use a Schaefer "Tuff Luff" foil. I have a hank on storm jib that I was thinking of adding a luff tape with back up grommets or a sleeve system like the one in the video. After watching the video, the sleeve system is no longer a consideration. I may just make up a series of short straps made from 1.5" wide nylon webbing with a "D" ring attached on each end. The jib would attach to my foil by having the webbing encircle the foil and the two "D" rings would just clip onto the jib hanks. Any other suggestions?
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
it would seem like his new go-pro camera was delivered at the same time his new storm sail was...and got so excited he got his priorities mixed up:D...

there is prime example of a captain that is going to have problems when he gets in a situation where he actually needs to set that sail.... we can only hope he has that camera on then....

and as melinuxo has already alluded to, there is a much easier, quicker and ultimately safer way to set a storm jib....

OH Yea!! there is a point to what I said.... make sure you have prepared and thought out what needs to be done before the storm, and/or especially if you are attempting to make an instructional video of it....
 
Jun 8, 2004
3,011
Catalina 320 Dana Point
The last time I got blindsided by a gale I had a gale sail onboard, after dropping the double reefed main, I had to go up and put some sail ties on it. I looked at the foredeck for a brief instant before deciding the risk of trying to bend that "Gale Sail" on in a gale far out weighed any benefit. I just put a little jib out and ran until it blew me out the bottom next morning.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,321
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
The inherent flaw with the Gale Sail type design is that it must be sleeved over the furled headsail.... which means the center of effort on the sail is high and forward... it also means the crew must go to the pointy end to rig it, thus the convenience of the RF unit is diminished.... it also means the sail cannot be pre rigged, waiting for quick deployment under marginal conditions.... In other words, it is cumbersome and the zipper can easily be a target for failure.

Ideally, the storm jib should be a hanked on type sail, rigged on it's own stay closer to the mast and the center of effort. Thus, you see many blue water boats with provisions for an inner forestay.... the deck connection for the stay needs reinforcement, as well as a quick release mechanism if the stay is intended to be stored by the mast.

The wire luff suggestion by merlinuxo is the simplest solution for a small boat.... however, I would be inclined to tack the sail on the foredeck, not at the stemhead, and use a lower mast attachement point, such as a spinnaker topping lift. If the sail is left in it's bag, tied on deck near the mast ready to deploy, the process would be much safer and quicker than fumbling with a zipper sleeve on the pitching bow. The reefed main would probably counteract the strain of the lowered stay attachment, but runners could be rigged for further security.

The other option is to change your RF headsail to a 90-100% jib that can be rolled up to 60-70...... of course that assumes one has a qualified RF system that is designed for easily changing out headsails and controlling a reefed headsail.
 
Oct 18, 2008
45
Jeanneau 49DS Seattle
It looked like the clew plate was the cause of most of the problems. Short of getting a new head sail, I don't see how he is going to make bending the storm jib any easier. But even if he had a smaller clew plate, that zipper arrangement would be really hard to work on a pitching deck. At least it seems that way to me. I've hanked-on a storm jib while sitting on a pitching deck and it was hard to do... can't imagine trying to fumble with a zipper over a rolled head sail in those conditions. It seems like you almost have to standup to work that zipper. Standing on a pitching deck.... no thanks.

This past summer I sold my boat and got a new-2-me boat. This is my first boat with a roller furled head-sail. I've been thinking about installing a designated solent stay for the storm jib. Anyone have experience with one of those? If so, I'd love to hear how it worked for you.
We did just that on our Jeanneau DS49 just before heading across the Pacific and it works very well. Roller furled Storm Jib made of heavy cloth and high clew. Now we even use it when the breeze is over 25kts. Makes things very easy and safe due to staying in the cockpit when the boat is heaving