Rudder removal-through the cockpit

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Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
I figure "small" since it was still more or less there ! and the post wasn't bent very much .. Phil's discription of the incident sounded like ...uuhhhhh... yall wuz a little busy for a while there !! I am heading over to Mandeville tomorrow.. May drive by and say hello to Phil.. Karen, do ya know if he is in the DIY yard over by the new Highway 90 bridge? or in Slidell at the yard there??
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
If the rudder shaft is bent/kinked and the shaft has to be replaced anyway, might be a better solution to use a sawzall cut the bugger off at the top of the rudder and between the hull. Then all you have to do is take that quadrant to someone with a large enough hydraulic press, etc. to remove the remaining 'stub'. Stainless steel pipe or mechanical tubing is comparatively cheap in comparison to many hours working in cramped quarters with high humidity, etc.
Of course you will risk 'Murphy' and the quadrant will/may crack during the pressing out of the stub. To reduce such risk if you need to press is to fill the stub with dry ice after HEATING the quadrant hub - shrinks the OD of the tube, increases the ID of the quadrant.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
It's out of the boat

The entire quadrant and shaft is now out of the boat. Finally. And boy did I find a bunch of stuff to do besides the rudder. Someone mentioned the backing plate for the pedestal being corroded, and I had already noticed that mine is pretty far gone. And the cutlass bearing while it's out. Have the cutlass bearing, and new "O" rings and set screws for the shaft seal coming. The glass around the rudder shaft tube is cracked pretty bad too. And the bottom paint, Trinidad, is pretty far gone after less than two years. So there is lots of work to be done, but in a day or two I should at least be finished taking things apart, and begin the process of re assembling everything. And by the way, Kloudie, I am at Lake Catherine marina, over on Hwy.90, by Ft. Pike. One mile west of the hwy 90 bridge. Come on by.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
If the rudder shaft is bent/kinked and the shaft has to be replaced anyway, might be a better solution to use a sawzall cut the bugger off at the top of the rudder and between the hull. Then all you have to do is take that quadrant to someone with a large enough hydraulic press, etc. to remove the remaining 'stub'. Stainless steel pipe or mechanical tubing is comparatively cheap in comparison to many hours working in cramped quarters with high humidity, etc.
Of course you will risk 'Murphy' and the quadrant will/may crack during the pressing out of the stub. To reduce such risk if you need to press is to fill the stub with dry ice after HEATING the quadrant hub - shrinks the OD of the tube, increases the ID of the quadrant.
A close look at Mainesail's picture of that same style part shows a pin in the hub to drive the post.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Like taking a pair of scizzors and chopping up 500 dollars.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
I am sorry BUT cutting out the deck is going to cost some dollars and a LOT of time
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I am sorry BUT cutting out the deck is going to cost some dollars and a LOT of time
resin is less than 30 dollars a quart and glass cloth is less than 10 dollars per square yard . Phillip's labor is free.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
besides if he gets into trouble he always has me n mac n kloudie and chuck n cpt chuck and ....lol....we wil fix his wagon if nothing else lol.....he needs to get his fiberglassing eperience somewhere--we have some to do on my boat before we leave this winter lol.....YES, i WILL get to warm water ...NO i WONT spend another coldarss winter in 'dago ...LOL--

-ross-you have such a CUTE lil quadrant------have ye seen mine yet??
wooooohoooooooo..........
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
besides if he gets into trouble he always has me n mac n kloudie and chuck n cpt chuck and ....lol....we wil fix his wagon if nothing else lol.....he needs to get his fiberglassing eperience somewhere--we have some to do on my boat before we leave this winter lol.....YES, i WILL get to warm water ...NO i WONT spend another coldarss winter in 'dago ...LOL--

-ross-you have such a CUTE lil quadrant------have ye seen mine yet??
wooooohoooooooo..........
You left out Bubbadaboatkat he could get down in there and help.
You gonna show me yours?
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
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I don't think some of you understand just how tight it is down around the quadrant. I honestly don't think that one could get to the rudder post to cut it off, at least not before the floor was cut out and the shaft pulled up. Same goes for cutting the quadrant out of there. There is no room to get a sawzall in there, without cutting something out. I did attempt to take a sawzall and cut the pinch bolts where the quadrant splits, but just no way to get to it. It would have been easier to break the quadrant up with a big hammer than to cut it with a sawzall. Plus cutting it out if possible, would have certainly got the shaft. If you consider all the possibilities, which I did, cutting the floor out was the obvious choice. There is also the fact that today is my 72nd birthday, and I am 6'4", and no where near as limber as I once was. I don't have any idea of how much a quadrant would cost, but I would bet money 500 bucks wouldn't do it. The little backing plate under the pedestal with the two pulleys on it, is 400. Don't even want to know about the quadrant. Putting the floor back in is not a big deal. I'm going to put it in without any consideration to ever taking it out again. Marine ply across and under it, stuck down with west system epoxy, bevel the cut and pour the crack full of CPE. Then a couple of layers of glass and some new anti-skid. Good as new and just as strong. The bonus of all this is it is going to be much easier to do some other repairs, such as replacing the backing plate under the pedestal, and replacing the packing on the rudder post. Overall, I think that I made the proper decision, even after it's done. And if not, I will just live with it.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
I don't think some of you understand just how tight it is down around the quadrant. I honestly don't think that one could get to the rudder post to cut it off, at least not before the floor was cut out and the shaft pulled up. Same goes for cutting the quadrant out of there. There is no room to get a sawzall in there, without cutting something out. I did attempt to take a sawzall and cut the pinch bolts where the quadrant splits, but just no way to get to it. It would have been easier to break the quadrant up with a big hammer than to cut it with a sawzall. Plus cutting it out if possible, would have certainly got the shaft. If you consider all the possibilities, which I did, cutting the floor out was the obvious choice. There is also the fact that today is my 72nd birthday, and I am 6'4", and no where near as limber as I once was. I don't have any idea of how much a quadrant would cost, but I would bet money 500 bucks wouldn't do it. The little backing plate under the pedestal with the two pulleys on it, is 400. Don't even want to know about the quadrant. Putting the floor back in is not a big deal. I'm going to put it in without any consideration to ever taking it out again. Marine ply across and under it, stuck down with west system epoxy, bevel the cut and pour the crack full of CPE. Then a couple of layers of glass and some new anti-skid. Good as new and just as strong. The bonus of all this is it is going to be much easier to do some other repairs, such as replacing the backing plate under the pedestal, and replacing the packing on the rudder post. Overall, I think that I made the proper decision, even after it's done. And if not, I will just live with it.
try sailors exchange in st augi fl for the backing plate ...when i was down there the other day (about 5 weeks ago) i remember seeing one ...it may be gone now but if its still there they will save you some money on that part i am sure of that ....just give them a call and tell them what you are looking for ..........

regards

woody
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
bubba says that with phillip in that space there isnt any room for him and all his furzz....he thinks he will sit this one out ....

uhoh nekkid boat parts--uhoh----

wow i think we just had a earthquake...lol
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Dropped by and visited with Phil and the rudder a bit on Tuesday.. He has quite a job on his hands but is in a great little yard whose owner is a real machinist.. They are progressing, and were getting ready to straighten the post .. The quadrant is still tenaceously attached ! but the machinist had a couple of options for getting the bolts out .. I don't doubt that the thing will be apart very soon.
We could see the cranes that are placing piles to support a barge line across the ICW, a mile or so east of the yard.. . Today, they've left a 150 ft wide gap in the middle to allow for traffic.. The gap can be quickly closed if oil approaches. They've done the ICW and the Rigolets.. Looks like Ponchatrain sailing will be what we do for a while until the mess gets cleaned up a bit.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
dayummmmm---so for variety, y'all have ti come here to sin diego to sail with me after me boat gets done--lol ...we could all sail this thing to mazatlan for kicks and grins..lol

we did a good job of breaking that boat didnt we claude!!!!
 
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