I bought a 1982 C27 this weekend. I'm going to have it hauled out for a bottom job, which is likely the first it's had since new. Any recommendations on major things to look for while it's out of the water? Also, for the most part, all the lines need to be replaced, sheets, halyards, etc. Where's a place I can look to find sizes and lenghts to get this done? Thanks, Chris
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Tim
Running Rigging lengths
Check out the link below and select "C27 specs" from the menu on the left. Toward the bottom it provides the line size and length for each of the running rigging elements. Good Luck! Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
Check out the link below and select "C27 specs" from the menu on the left. Toward the bottom it provides the line size and length for each of the running rigging elements. Good Luck! Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
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Tom Monroe
already bought it?
Chris... Is the deal already consumated? I kind of wish you had posted last week ... I think the advise of this forum would have been to haul it and survey before the purchase. I'f I'm reading your post right, you're maybe not real expert at looking at/buying boats, so the rest of this post follows that assumption. I ask your forgiveness if you are real strong at all this!!!! I assume the "bottom job" will check for and repair any blisters. Check all through-hulls and caulk if necessary. Check for any evidence of a grounding. Check the keel/hull joint for any separation, known as the "Catalina smile." Check the keel bolts. If they are not nice and snug and shiny, get a knowledgeable person to look at them. Check the rudder (look at it from behind and be sure it's fair to the lines of the hull, and not bent, and check the hull on either side where it turns it's max and see whether the hull is chipped ... another indication of grounding). When you get her out, tell us what you find. I'm buying a C27 right now, and joined the C27 discussion list on sailnet (sorry Phil). The advise I've obtained there has been invaluable. You might pop over there, too. In any case, there are just a whole lot of other things that need to be checked on the boat, and maybe you've done them. Can you give us a better idea of how experienced you are? If you're a pro and I misread, sorry. Tom Monroe Carlyle Lake
Chris... Is the deal already consumated? I kind of wish you had posted last week ... I think the advise of this forum would have been to haul it and survey before the purchase. I'f I'm reading your post right, you're maybe not real expert at looking at/buying boats, so the rest of this post follows that assumption. I ask your forgiveness if you are real strong at all this!!!! I assume the "bottom job" will check for and repair any blisters. Check all through-hulls and caulk if necessary. Check for any evidence of a grounding. Check the keel/hull joint for any separation, known as the "Catalina smile." Check the keel bolts. If they are not nice and snug and shiny, get a knowledgeable person to look at them. Check the rudder (look at it from behind and be sure it's fair to the lines of the hull, and not bent, and check the hull on either side where it turns it's max and see whether the hull is chipped ... another indication of grounding). When you get her out, tell us what you find. I'm buying a C27 right now, and joined the C27 discussion list on sailnet (sorry Phil). The advise I've obtained there has been invaluable. You might pop over there, too. In any case, there are just a whole lot of other things that need to be checked on the boat, and maybe you've done them. Can you give us a better idea of how experienced you are? If you're a pro and I misread, sorry. Tom Monroe Carlyle Lake
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Jeff
Rope lenghts
Go to the Chandlery on this site. Look for Specials then go to running rigging. At the bottom you can fill in the info and get a price of the lines, usually 5/16 or 3/8 on the early 80s C27. That is a thing of beauty when it is fixed up. Jeff
Go to the Chandlery on this site. Look for Specials then go to running rigging. At the bottom you can fill in the info and get a price of the lines, usually 5/16 or 3/8 on the early 80s C27. That is a thing of beauty when it is fixed up. Jeff
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clarification
No offense taken, and I understand your comments completely, Tom. This is what I was hoping for when I did my original post. It would have been nice to have had enough time before purchase to do a more thorough inspection, but at the asking price (5k), there was so much interest in the boat, that wasn't an option. From what I've been able to tell from looking her over and a brief sail, the boat was hardly ever used, at least by the last owner of eight years. The above water fiberglass and gel coat are in very good condition, with no evidence of being rammed into docks, ground, etc. The same can be said of the condition of the jib, storm jib, and genoa. The main is only suffering from being stored under cover on the boom for several years. The main sheet and both halyards, aside from the wires, are weathered and need to be replaced. I'm not a pro at this by any means, but I've spent some time on these boats, and at this price, I really didn't want to pass this one up. If it turns out that I've made a mistake, I can get my money back quickly, if not turn a profit. I will take a look at the other site you've mentioned, as well as the specific items you've listed. I really appreciate the input
No offense taken, and I understand your comments completely, Tom. This is what I was hoping for when I did my original post. It would have been nice to have had enough time before purchase to do a more thorough inspection, but at the asking price (5k), there was so much interest in the boat, that wasn't an option. From what I've been able to tell from looking her over and a brief sail, the boat was hardly ever used, at least by the last owner of eight years. The above water fiberglass and gel coat are in very good condition, with no evidence of being rammed into docks, ground, etc. The same can be said of the condition of the jib, storm jib, and genoa. The main is only suffering from being stored under cover on the boom for several years. The main sheet and both halyards, aside from the wires, are weathered and need to be replaced. I'm not a pro at this by any means, but I've spent some time on these boats, and at this price, I really didn't want to pass this one up. If it turns out that I've made a mistake, I can get my money back quickly, if not turn a profit. I will take a look at the other site you've mentioned, as well as the specific items you've listed. I really appreciate the input
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Tom Soko
Wire Halyards?
Chris, From your last post, you mentioned wire in the same sentence as halyard. If you do have wire/rope halyards, this would be a great time to consider replacing them with all rope. Whether you go high-tech lines or not is up to you, but the SS wire is a pain to deal with. Might have to also replace the masthead sheaves, but that is also easy to do. Just a thought.
Chris, From your last post, you mentioned wire in the same sentence as halyard. If you do have wire/rope halyards, this would be a great time to consider replacing them with all rope. Whether you go high-tech lines or not is up to you, but the SS wire is a pain to deal with. Might have to also replace the masthead sheaves, but that is also easy to do. Just a thought.
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Chris
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Tom, I haven't gotten her out yet, but thanks for asking. Last weekend was my first to spend any time there, so I was mostly surveying. I found a few inches of standing water in the area below the v-berth. Vaccuumed it out Saturday, cleaning it thoroughly, and it was mostly dry Sunday. I suspect that's the result of some slow leaks in the transducers for the depth guage. I also found a few inches of standing water in the area around the studs that connect the keel to the hull. I removed that water Saturday. It was also mostly dry Sunday, but this is the most problematic area so far. Although the studs and washers are pretty dry and clean, the nuts are very corroded. I don't know how much real "meat" is left to them, but I suspect that if I attempted to back them off with a socket, that they might collapse. This has got me thinking that, until I remove the boat from the water, with the keel secured, I may need to systematically remove and replace these nuts, one by one, to add as much strength as possible to the area. The fiberglass in the area all looks very good. I would appreciate any suggestions that anyone may have on this.
Tom, I haven't gotten her out yet, but thanks for asking. Last weekend was my first to spend any time there, so I was mostly surveying. I found a few inches of standing water in the area below the v-berth. Vaccuumed it out Saturday, cleaning it thoroughly, and it was mostly dry Sunday. I suspect that's the result of some slow leaks in the transducers for the depth guage. I also found a few inches of standing water in the area around the studs that connect the keel to the hull. I removed that water Saturday. It was also mostly dry Sunday, but this is the most problematic area so far. Although the studs and washers are pretty dry and clean, the nuts are very corroded. I don't know how much real "meat" is left to them, but I suspect that if I attempted to back them off with a socket, that they might collapse. This has got me thinking that, until I remove the boat from the water, with the keel secured, I may need to systematically remove and replace these nuts, one by one, to add as much strength as possible to the area. The fiberglass in the area all looks very good. I would appreciate any suggestions that anyone may have on this.
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Tom Monroe
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Chris ... I agree, don't think your water "problems" are a problem. Caulk the transducer good while it's out, and monitor. In my first post on this thread, I mentioned checking the keel bolts, and did so 'cause they seem to be a common problem in C27's. I don't have enough experience to be the best person to guide you on this, but from hanging around the C27 listserve, I can tell you that there are some real specific ways of dealing with it, and that if handled correctly your boat will be in great shape. I think I'd search the archives on this forum, and pop over to the C27 list on sailnet for advise. Also, from postings I've seen there, I believe that if you call Catalina, they have a procedure that they will be happy to give you. (One guy even remarked that Frank Butler called him back and talked to him directly about how to deal with it ... on a 25 year old boat, I'd call that great customer service!) Anyway, my advise is that the keel bolt thing is a significant issue that needs attention, and that the repair path is well documented, and that once done your boat will be fine. Get a pro or some real informed advise to guide you on this. Let us know how it's going. If you want to email me on the side, I'm at tom.monroe@swic.edu. Tom
Chris ... I agree, don't think your water "problems" are a problem. Caulk the transducer good while it's out, and monitor. In my first post on this thread, I mentioned checking the keel bolts, and did so 'cause they seem to be a common problem in C27's. I don't have enough experience to be the best person to guide you on this, but from hanging around the C27 listserve, I can tell you that there are some real specific ways of dealing with it, and that if handled correctly your boat will be in great shape. I think I'd search the archives on this forum, and pop over to the C27 list on sailnet for advise. Also, from postings I've seen there, I believe that if you call Catalina, they have a procedure that they will be happy to give you. (One guy even remarked that Frank Butler called him back and talked to him directly about how to deal with it ... on a 25 year old boat, I'd call that great customer service!) Anyway, my advise is that the keel bolt thing is a significant issue that needs attention, and that the repair path is well documented, and that once done your boat will be fine. Get a pro or some real informed advise to guide you on this. Let us know how it's going. If you want to email me on the side, I'm at tom.monroe@swic.edu. Tom
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Rick
Catalina 27
Great boat, your going to love it. Got my 84 C27 last August.Just went in the water today,got to finsh waxing,and put sails back on.should be sailing by thursday
Great boat, your going to love it. Got my 84 C27 last August.Just went in the water today,got to finsh waxing,and put sails back on.should be sailing by thursday
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