Rocna at WM Port Supply? WTF?

[CharlieCobra]

Hmm, I have a 45Lb CQR that works fine.

I use 100' of 3/8" chain along with 100' of nylon. So far so good. My boat weighs 14,500.

 

[Buck2796]

Hay Still,

I'd try, but Phil would censor me.

 

[Fred Ficarra7897]

Buck, did I ever tell you my chain story?

Well, it's not my story. It was told to me by a buddy boater friend one night over cocktails anchored off Costa Rica. He was crewing on a very large sailboat. They pulled to the pier in Lahina (sp) Maui. A truck was waiting on the beach with a barrel of chain. All six crewmen went to the truck for the chain. Somebody said to just grab the end of the chain and pull it to the boat. After all, it was just off the beach. Sounded good. All six men were only able to pull 50' in the sand before they were stopped in their tracks.I agree with your Frenchman. Chain IS an anchor.

 

[Buck2796]

Still, Look Carefully

See what happens when you do a bow to stern shot

 

[Stillraining]

OK I want

The old one back...My eyes arnt what they use to be..

 

[EvenKeel]

Mainesail- What size Rocna/Manson?

I keep meaning to ask you-- what size Manson Supreme anchor do you have? I think your boat is not too different from mine (Catalina 350) and I just added a 35 lb Manson with 100' of chain and 150' of nylon. Have only tried it once so far and it grabbed like tying off to a concrete piling.Even Keel II came with a 22 lb Delta that I've dragged all over the Chesapeake Bay. I also have a Fortress FX-16 that I kept from a previous 32 footer, but I think it's a bit small except for a lunch hook. Also have a large Danforth knockoff that's too hard to handle, which I keep for trying times.GaryEven Keel II

 

[Maine Sail]

I use a

35 Lb. Rocna on my 17,000 pound 36 footer. The Manson 35 is plenty for your boat! Tim R., another forum member here, has been using my Manson 25 on his 35 foot Ericson and was so impressed with it he's ordering a Rocna 35 too!!Concrete piling or like hitting a brick wall either way there are no other anchors made that set as definitively as a Manson or Rocna..! What? Drag a plow anchor??? Never heard of it before?

 

[Fred Ficarra7897]

Buck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

We're sure hoping that new avitar is only temporary,,,,,,,,

 

[Taylor]

How fast does your CQR set?

Charlie - I thought my CQR (Danforth made copy) was fine until I considered the effort it took to get it set. Sure, once I had it in, it did ok, but I would pick a spot, drop the hook, back down slow, back down slow, back down slow until I was, oops, no longer in a spot I could use... so up anchor, back to the spot I wanted, and repeat. Then there would be some shouting at the first mate about which way to back, or if I'm at the helm, to the crew about whether it had set, which makes me look stupid in a quiet harbor. I just hate this part of anchoring, and my Rocna 25 saves me all that trouble. That's 25kg = 55lbs, 46' boat, 28,000lbs design displacement. BTW - mine came from North American manufacturer - Suncoast Marine, and the delivered to Seattle cost a year ago was about the same as the WM cost above. I can't blame either Rocna or WM for doing this deal - it means WM has a decent product, Rocna gets decent exposure.

 

[CharlieCobra]

I've not had a problem yet

and I used the current to back us down, not the engine. Then I dropped all the chain and paid out the rode. We swung in a couple of 360's without issue. This was in soft mud. I can see where grass would be a problem. I'm thinking of getting the Manson as I just can't see spending for the Rocna.

 

[EvenKeel]

What a drag

Speaking of breaking out and failing to reset... I owned a Catalina 320 some years back. Anchored one evening in Bodkin Creek off the Chesapeake. The forecast called for a midnight wind shift and increase to 20+ knots. With soft mud, I decided to put out an over-sized danforth in addition to the 22 lb Delta, and turned in for the night. Around 1 am, I awoke as the boat shuttered. Leaping out of the aft berth (and of course, slamming my head on the underside of the cockpit), I dashed for the cockpit to find that we had dragged both anchors over 200 feet, and had cleanly backed into someone's empty private boat slip without a scratch-- stopping just short of hitting a steel jet-ski lift. One fender and two dock lines later, I went back to sleep. No one ever came out to collect a slip rental fee.GaryEven Keel II

 

[RichH]

HA! Bodkin Creek .....

This is precisely where I could not get my Spade anchor to hold.... I mean 'would not, could not' set that anchor. In worsening weather I finally used a Danforth and only dragged about 100 ft. The bottom of Bodkin Creek must be 4-6 ft. of extra soft goo. I tried 'all over' Bodkin to set an anchor during an approaching squall .... finally tied up to a private dock.

 

[Dan Johnson]

RichH...

Maybe Bill Roosa can tell us the secret of Bodkin Creek anchoring. Thirty years ago the bottom there was just as soft!

 

[Scott B]

Rocna 15

I spent months researching anchors after buying our boat. I finally decided on the Rocna 15 ( which is actually 33 lbs., not 35, and I can't believe I'm correcting Maine on anything boating related ) for an 11,000 lbs. boat. It was just over $500 taxes in and shipped from Vancouver to Ontario. I now have over 30 nights on the hook, with several wind shifts and quite a few nights in weeds and have not dragged a bit. Last weekend in a quiet Bay, instead of only 30% throttle to set the anchor I gave it close to 3/4, just to see what would happen...... didn't budge. I'm certainly more than happy with buying this anchor, which to me is cheap insurance vs. the cost of the boat and a good nights sleep.

 

[Craig Smith]

Avoid cheap copies!

In Maine Sail's list of pricing, we have three original designs, Spade, CQR, and Rocna, with pricing benchmarks. Unsurprisingly, the fourth item is much cheaper - being a knock-off.I notice there are no cheap CQR clones on the list - so are the copies really equal, for better value? The last link Tommays posted might have an answer. Rhetorical leading question: who makes the CQR knock-off in those photos?And, the answer to why (like all copies), Manson's Rocna version is a little cheaper: follow the link.Maine Sail was talking about ~55-60lb anchors. Second rhetorical leading question: are you going to use anything other than the best anchor possible to protect a 40' yacht, or save a few hundred $ with its severely compromised copy?

 

[Old Salt]

Craig give it a rest

You come on here promoting the Ronco anchor that you make money on.Then to make it worse, with your wording you infer that the other anchor, the Manson Supreme, is wholly inferior. Thats BS and you know it, but you'll never say that because you would lose money. No anchor is perfect, even your anchor. There have been direct personal experiences where the Ronco anchor failed someone (R.W.Landau). There is no "best" anchor, there are too many variables.Its almost libel what you are infering with Manson Supreme being inferior. Its probably one of the top anchors in the world and you know it. Like I said earlier, no anchor is perfect, but the Manson Supreme anchor has been closely reviewed by Lloyds Register of Shipping and it received a SHHP status. Super High Holding Power. The first and only production boat anchor in the world to do so. Certificate Number SPA-ANCH0062. For someone who wants to see just go to w w w. manson-marine.co.nz/SitePages/Supreme.htmCraig where is YOUR Llyods of London Certification ?!?

 

[Buck2796]

Still, Fred,

We're having an important discussion re anchors.Please stay focused ... on subject, .. anchors, that is.

 

[GuyT]

Second OldSalt

To quote Craig saying "Severely compromised copy" is just BULL-SH**.Years ago I opened up a competitors piece of equipment and it was a copy of what I had designed a few years prior - copies get made and there is no way to prevent it. Get over it!What you need to do Craig is accept the fact that if it is a copy, how can you be competitive with it? Knocking it down and claiming it is inferior is not working here - we don’t buy it.Instead you should realize that you have a formidable competitor with a good design and start to lower your prices to be more competitive.Otherwise we may see ROCNA disappear like we saw American manufacturers after Japanese and Chinese knock offs became available.God bless Manson Supreme - If it makes the prices lower by having competition they are doing free enterprise proud.

 

[Maine Sail]

Please Craig...

I am a HUGE proponent of your product and have compared it to the Manson Supreme SIDE BY SIDE and yes the Rocna is more ROBUSTLY built but to call the Manson severely compromised is a BIG stretch and you loose credibility!Try pointing out the differences and feature/benefits of your anchor and let folks decide for them selves if the price difference is worth it. I found for instance that where the shank is welded to the fluke the Rocna has a much thicker piece of steel when compared to the Manson. You never point that difference out but to me that weld area and strength is a HUGE area for concern.Calling the Manson "severely compromised" makes me worry about the future of Rocna as you are pissing off potential customers who will NOT like your pompous and arrogant tone! In the last two weeks I have purchased TWO Rocna's on my PS account! My buddies did NOT buy Manson's because the construction quality spoke to them without YOU slamming the Manson. I understand how pissed you are BUT you should not bring your dirty laundry into public. Simply showing the FACTS and actual differences should be enough.Take the high road buddy and, as I've asked you before, FIND A CHEAPER MANUFACTURER SO YOU CAN BE COMPETITIVE! You make a wonderful product and it is a god send to those of us who have used it!

 

[soling42]

If his article is correct I can see Craigs point

There's no honor in a brand that seems to flagrantly churn through other peoples inventive designs only to produce obvious copies of another mans R&D, labor and ingenuity. It seems to be the way of the world but in a market niche as narrow as this it would be easier to simply cave to the design leeches than to take condescending crap from anybody. Put yourself in his shoes, he'll never get rich on this idea and I'd be a little ticked off to loose any portion of the minuscule profits he'll realize.It takes thick skin to defend a unique design in a professional way but I can understand his pride in a job well done and being defensive when it's so blatantly plagiarized. He's taken this thing a very long way down a tough road to get it to market and it's a great idea that actually works. For the few that will ever read it, I also felt his explanation and defense of the designs history was well done too. I poured over all the data I could find before buying and bought the bona-fide design, I'm glad I did and would definatly do it again. That's my 2cents for what it's worth....Keep up the good work. Michael