Rocna at WM Port Supply? WTF?

[newly anonymous]

I'm looking at page 220 of the 2008 WM Port Supply catalog, where a Rocna 25 sells for $897.99. (Which is soooooooo much less than $900.00, apparently.) But on the regular WM website, NOT port supply, the same Rocna 25 sells for $812.What's that about? And, more to the point, has anyone found a supplier of Rocna anchors that offers any sort of a rational price?

 

[Maine Sail]

Read carefully!

The Port Supply catalog (on Page 6) does NOT have the actual Port Supply price in it and the prices shown are manufacturers list price or 110% of WM retail price if the manufacturer does not dictate a "list" price...In order to see the PS price for a Rocna you'll need to log on with your Port Supply account number.I'm going to guess you meant the Rocna 22 or 10kg model as they don't make a 25.The PS price on the Rocna 22 pound anchor is:email me via my web site and I'll tell you! It would not be fair to PS for me to be posting wholesale prices here.I use the catalog to get my item number then just key the item number into the PS web site after I have logged in. Quick and easy!

 

[newly anonymous]

and, more to the point...

...has anyone found a supplier of Rocna anchors that offers any sort of a rational price?And yes, Rocna makes a 25 kg (55 lb) anchor. Check their website at the link below.And, regarding rationality, 110% of $812.00 would be $893.20, not $897.99.

 

[Maine Sail]

Sorry...

Just assumed you meant "pounds" as that is how most people in the US refer to anchor sizing.Yes they do make a 25kg model though the PS price is not really that much better than WM. You'll save about $8.00 through PS.The PS price on a Manson Supreme 60lb anchor is in the low $500.00 range?Oh, and no one sells Rocna's for a good deal as even the wholesale price is astronomical!

 

[Old Salt]

Forget the Rocna, buy a Manson Supreme

That price for the Rocna is ridiculous for that size of an anchor. Buy the Manson Supreme which is just as good for a fraction of the cost. Not only that the Manson Supreme is Llyods Certified ! Lets see Rocna come up with that.For that ridiculous price I would even buy the Metal SPADE over the Rocna. I am pretty sure it is cheaper and not only that you can break the SPADE down and lay it flat stored somewhere on your boat as a spare storm anchor.

 

[Maine Sail]

Re: Spade Prices..

Old Salt,You may want to check current Spade pricing!!http://www.navstore.com/detail.aspx?ID=1326

 

[Rick D]

Spade: YIKES!

Wow, what a soft dollar has done. I'm sure a lot of other non-China imports will likewise go nuts after inventories run out. RD

 

[Maine Sail]

And a 60lb CQR is...

$1029.00 these days. Lets see, the Rocna holds more, sets better and re-sets better on wind / tide shifts and is $200.00 less that the venerable CQR yet it's still costs to much to hold your $200K + boat??? Still sounds like cheap insurance to me. The cost of a Rocna 55lb is less than .5% of a 200K boat....Spade 60 $1598.00CQR 60 $1029.00Rocna 55 $815.00Manson Supreme 60 $619.00

 

[Old Salt]

Maine last time I looked the Spade S100 (20kg) was around $500

I am not sure if the prices went up. Ok stay with the Manson Supreme. Still a fraction of the price of the Ronco, just as good and Llyods certified

 

[Ross]

An odd question that I haven't seen addressed before

if a 20 pound ronca will hold your boat for 500 dollars will a 35 pound delta also hold it for half the price?

 

[Maine Sail]

I can assure you...

That the Manson Supreme and Rocna are NOT the same!! I happen to own both a Rocna and a Manson Supmreme (probably one of only a hand full of people in the word to actually own both) and while the Manson Supreme IMHO is the second best anchor being made today the Rocna is much more robustly built!Both are good performers but the Rocna is clearly better built!

 

[Maine Sail]

Ross...

I think the real question should be "how reliably" will the Delta hold my boat? Will it penetrate a hard bottom and then re-set, on that same hard bottom, at 2:00 a.m. when the wind shifts 180 while you are dreaming about the upcoming days winds and sun? I can answer that, having used a Delta for a while. NO! Not as reliably!!!!!Unfortunately, price DOES NOT equal performance in anchors! The CQR is now one of the most expensive anchors on the market and the Manson Supreme will out anchor it 10 times out of 10 "for half the price"!If I had to do it again I'd still buy the Rocna over the Manson. Why? Maine was the granite capitol for years and years and much of that granite came from off shore islands that I now anchor off of. I have had anchors stuck in granite tailings a fair number of times and broken and or bent a few trying to retrieve them. I want an anchor that will survive a 10' tide breaking it free when nothing else will work so I need the most robust version I can get!! that is worth the extra $200.00 to me..

 

[Buck2796]

Well Spoken, Main

Although the bottom conditions from the Ches. Bay, south, are not as demanding as the rocky New England coast, those folks (from here to the Bahamas) I have met who have Rocna's, all swear by them.After similar poor performance from a Delta, my Spade has served me very well over the past 8 years. However, IMHO, having an all chain rode is probably as important as the anchor.I, too, like to sleep at 02:00. Were I to need another anchor, I'd fork over the extra money for a Rocna (which I don't think was available 8 years ago).

 

[RobG]

Defender now sells the Manson line

Don't know about shipping though. They're a half hour from my house. The Manson is on my list for next year.

 

[tommays]

Who copyed Who

http://www.rocna.com/images/content/what_features_0.jpghttp://www.defender.com/large/000303_l.jpgas i cant see much design differancehttp://www.rocna.com/distributable/cqr_manson_rocna_testing.pdfThis a pretty good set of pictures

 

[RichH]

Anyone have comments concerning the Rocna in 'super-soft' mud?

Ive been quite happy with a 44# Spade in most condition EXCEPT in deep soft MUD. Even letting the Spade 'settle in' and sinking itself deep into the ooooooze Ive always had problems getting the Spade to hold in soft 'muck'. In other bottoms Im amazed at the holding power and ability to reset in hard, etc. bottoms. I still carry a large Danforth for the oooooze.Am planning to add another anchor such as the Manson or Rocna .... was wondering if these two have larger flukes than the Spade ... for better holding in 'soft muck'. Im quite pleased with the Spade and appreciate its ability to disassemble the shank from the flukes, for better stowage. I normally stow such 'heavy anchors' amidships when on long passage in open water to keep the 'ends' light and buoyant.

 

[Joseph Shirley]

RichH, I use a Fortress FX 37 with a mud setting for the soft mud and

its great. Its on my sprit set for mud at all times. The mud setting has a steeper angle which drives it deeper and exposes a greater fluke area to resist the pull. It's not a bad anchor for all around in the normal setting but I only use it in mud (and we have a lot of mud)Have funJoe S

 

[Fred Ficarra7897]

Buck, you beat me to it;

All chain rode. We still have the original Bruce 10 that came with our boat new. Before the rebuild of our boat it was the second choice. A Danforth style anchor was primary. The Bruce couldn't be relied on to set or not 'trip' when used alone. But we were using rope rode and a small length of chain on it. Then after the rebuild I installed a windlass that works with chain and rope. I also added a matching bow roller for the new rope rode of the Fortress. Well, one thing led to another and we ended up with 200' of HT chain on the Bruce. Since 2003 the Bruce has been perfect. Sets every time. That new rode for the Fortress has never been over the side. CHAIN. Now I know why skippers using all-chain have that smirk on their face.

 

[Stillraining]

Hay Buck

How about a new Avatar picture...maybe a bow to stern shot..Just Kidding..

 

[Buck2796]

Yeah Fred,

As far as anchors go, years ago, I had a French sailor tell me "just geeve me 300 meters of chain and a ceindeer-block ". I got the "ceindeer-block", but, just can't quite get 300' of 1" chain in my anchor locker.