remove or replace crazed cabin pinstripes? considering pro detailing job as well.

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luvitt

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Oct 30, 2008
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My cabin pinstripes are in very bad shape. they make the whole boat look bad. even though i need a detail, it would look a lot better without those crazed pinstripes. should i remove them all together, I dont think it would look bad w/o them. But, what will that look like since the gelcoat underneath will probably be shinier? should i just replace them?

Im considering a professional wet sand, compound, & wax. I bought the stuff to do it myself, but i just dont think i have it in me. I tested a 3 x 3 area, and it definately looks better with just a compound. I didnt buy finesse it II or wax yet. it seemed pretty quick & easy. I could see my docklines in the reflection, but its too sunny right now to really get a good look at it. The pro's say it definately needs a wet sand. thats funny, my survey reported no oxidation on the hull. I just pressured washed the whole boat right before he got there. now a few weeks later, you run your fingers over it and its all chalky. But, im just getting fat and lazy. and beer doesnt help. the boat is in the water too. it will be a pain in the butt.

I have had 5 detailers give quotes. most did not seem professional. one guy told me $16/ft, then proceeded to drink all my beer and by the time he left, he said $12/ft. he never called back.

The guys i trust have done several boats on my dock. they all look fabulous. but they are $33-$37/foot for a stem to stern, full detail. lockers, stainless, aluminum, buff out the hatches, power cords, canvas, wet sand, compound, wax, multiple washes during the job, etc. They say they mix there own compound for boats in my condition. He said something about another product they use for the swirl marks after compounding (not finesse it II). They use 3M products too. They take 50% down and dude said he would take 2 more payments. He said he could bring my boat back with no problem. and they will do half a hull side test before i hire them.

So, should i remove the stripes before i hire them? will everything match if they do their job right? or should i replace them before they start?
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Many folks with those

stripes have removed them. Ours are made of wood, called "eyebrows" and many have removed them, and some have replaced the wood with a stripe.

The details of how to treat and wax a boat, hull or cabin, are well detailed by Maine Sail in his excellent writeup, referred to many times here. As a regular you should be familiar with it. If not, find one of his posts and click on his link to his website.

DIY is always less beer for the other guys who don't do much anyway!:):):)

You're learnin'
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: Many folks with those

Does a shiny boat float higher than a dull boat?
 
Mar 22, 2004
733
Hunter 30 Vero Beach
So let me see if I heard you right. This guy wants an average of say $35 a foot to polish and wax your boat? That's $1400. Lets say it takes him and another guy 8 hours to do it, that's $175 an hour. If you were anywhere near me, I'd do it for you in a heartbeat. If that's the normal price that those guys charge, I've been in the wrong business for years. I'm a cheap bastard, if it was my boat, I'd be doing it myself. $1400 would pay my slip fees for 3.5 months.
As for the stripes, I'd replace them before you have the detail work done.

Dave
 
Apr 13, 2007
142
Catalina 27 TR Lorain, Ohio
Auto stripping

At our marina a friend bought some automotive stripping (gold)to redo some stripping that was on his sailboat. His boat had some faded stripping that he had to paint every couple of years. He figured the price was right and if it didn't work out then he could just peel it back off. It's been on for two years now and still looks fine. Go to your local Auto parts store. They have all kinds of colors and widths of pin stripping. Just dewax the strip with something like acetone before applying. I put some black pin stripping on my car about 6 years ago and its still looks great and I live in Ohio where the road and weather conditions are brutal with salted roads and temperature extremes.
 

luvitt

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Oct 30, 2008
297
na na na
stripes have removed them. Ours are made of wood, called "eyebrows" and many have removed them, and some have replaced the wood with a stripe.

The details of how to treat and wax a boat, hull or cabin, are well detailed by Maine Sail in his excellent writeup, referred to many times here. As a regular you should be familiar with it. If not, find one of his posts and click on his link to his website.

DIY is always less beer for the other guys who don't do much anyway!:):):)

You're learnin'
Yeah, i printed out Maine Sail's writeup and spent about 5 minutes trying it out. it definately looked better. but i dont think i will be able to do this with the boat in the water. they are going to wet sand first. and yes, that is expensive, but that is the going rate around here.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Yeah, i printed out Maine Sail's writeup and spent about 5 minutes trying it out. it definately looked better. but i dont think i will be able to do this with the boat in the water. they are going to wet sand first. and yes, that is expensive, but that is the going rate around here.

Bob,

For everything you listed that is actually not a bad rate. I used to detail boats on the side when I was younger and there is no way, even two guys, can do everything you listed in 8 hours especially at a dock and in the water. Wet sanding alone is 6-8 hours for two guys on a 40 footer in the water. That job is more like a 25-30 hour total detail or more. At 30 hours the hourly rate is $46.00 now dived that by 2 for two guys and they are barely making $24.00 per hour. I'd jump at that. In water hull detailing is the WORST!!!!;)
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
A friend had her entire 36 ft. boat including cabin top done for $2000. No wet sanding.

Maine Sail, when are you going to update the gelcoat polishing instructions with the new products and techniques we recently learned? Let me know if you need any help.
 

Clark

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Jun 30, 2004
886
Hunter 280 Lake Guntersville, AL
I agree with Main Sail; that is not bad for a boat of that size. If they do a very good job, then upkeep of that finish will be a lot less intensive than trying to restore it.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
See what the rate is if you pull the boat. It might prove cheaper to do so.

The stripes have got to go. There is no reason to leave them on they are in such rough shape, unless you are replacing them with exact replacements. I'd take a shot at letting the pro remove any trace of them. Don't be disappointed if he can't quite do it. At some point the lettering on my stern was replaced with a different style in a slightly different location. You can still see the ghost of the old lettering easily. Also, there is stripping down the side of my boat. It is one inch black paralleled by 1/2 inch red. It is in tough shape and has been patched in places before. At some point it all has to go and I don't know if I'll put it back. If I do, I may go with vinyl, as it may last longer than cheap adhesive striping tape. It may be much more challenging to apply though.
 

TimCup

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Jan 30, 2008
304
Catalina 22 St. Pete
take it from a guy that can't scratch his own nose

today- pay whatever they want!!

As a desk jockey with delusions of grandeur, I decided to take the plunge this weekend, and make my boat new again, using Maine's instructions as a guide. I didn't use Presta, cuz I didn't order it in time, but I have a wholesale fiberglass supplier up the street, and talked with them at length about which products to use.

I'm sorry I can't tell you the name of the compounding substance, but the container is on the ground and I can't bend over to read it just yet.... it sounded similar to Presta, in that the grit starts out rough, and breaks down as it is buffed, so it actually puts a great shine on my previously flat gelcoat.

After I got it to where I could read my watch in the reflection, I went back and told them I could see the minute hand, what have they got so I can watch the SECOND hand in the reflection... I used 3m finesse it II, came out great ( until I went blind from the back pain, of course).

I spent 2 days buffing and polishing a 22 foot boat, and after my wife undressed me (must be nerve damage- my arms seemed to paralyzed..) I thought the worst was over. Nothing left to do but wax, right?

Take it from me- Carnuaba (spelling?) wax doesn't go on as easy as the "easyon/easyoff" cheap stuff I've used before. And God help you if you apply too large an area, cuz I thought I'd need a grinder to get it off!! Although I passed out several times from the pain, I just couldn't leave a wax shadow on my perfect gelcoat. I asked my wife to help, but after 5 minutes of her trying to get the wax off, I saw her perusing divorce attorneys in the phone book, so...

my recommendation?

A- pay someone else, and make sure they use good wax, cuz you're gonna want it to last, or

B- realize that keeping up with the Jones' is alot easier than keeping up with Maine Sail, or

C- accept that Ross is right- shiny don't go no faster anyway!!


Eventually I'm gonna be able to walk again, and when that happens, I guess I'll just put my boat in storage. I ain't doing this again. Ever. Gotta go now, I've been typing with my nose, and I gotta sneeze... this is gonna hurt-


cup
 
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