Reefing set up

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Jun 16, 2011
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Catalina 350 Rock hall
Yesterday we were out in about 15-20 with a reef in the main. My question is, should I lash the clew of the reef to the boom as well as tighten reef line
I ask this because I felt like I could not get the main to sheet flat enough and also I could not get the leech to set. I think it is because the reef line pulls down and back but I think it is not a great angle to keep enough down tension on the leech
 
Dec 4, 2008
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Other people's boats - Milford, CT
You can lash the clew to the boom, I sometimes do that on long passages with a reef in, as a backup.

But really you need to move the reefing line attachment forward on the boom to create a better angle.

Todd
 
Nov 2, 2010
114
Precision 28 Ashland, Oregon
It would be helpful to know a little more about your exact reefing setup. Also, I was taught that it's important to tighten reefing line before halyard thereby ensuring that reefing line is very tight and new 'foot' is stretched and flat...
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
I was out sailing on Sunday as well and it was a terrific day to sail a H28.5. Doing hull speed across the bay and back. I had up a full main, but tied the cunningham down and probably had about 110 per cent headsail out. One of the best sails of the season.

Whenever I reef the main on my H28.5, after pulling down the leech reefing line I use a sail tie through the cringle and tied around the boom to get the foot as flat to the boom as possible. The reefing line alone will not do that.
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
If you have single line reefing (i.e., one line that does clew and tack) you will never get the clew tight enough. Solutions are double line reefing or using another line through the clew cringle.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
I always strap down the clew becuase it's one less thing to worry about. Additionally, on the two occasions where I had to reef I really could have cared less about sail trim --- all I wanted to do was get the sucker back to the dock in one piece.

One big mistake I see all the time on reefed boats is the reefing ties are cinched up tight around the boom. That's a sure way to cause the sail to rip straight up from the reef cringles. The reefing ties are used to "tidy up" the sail so it nots falling all over the place. Also make a simple knot -- maybe one like you tie your shoe laces. You want a knot you can easily untie.
 
Jun 16, 2011
173
Catalina 350 Rock hall
I hook the clew directly to the reef hook at the gooseneck and have an internal reef line. We were sailing quite well since we ran off early but it was a long close hauled ride back against the tide. The boat just felt overpowered and I could not get it to balance well at all going to weather just trying to rethink my set up I had one reef in and about a 85% jib ( roller) I was having a lot of weather helm and could not get the main to depower any more ( only have one reef point)
I was trying to keep it depowered for comfort had my 11 month son with us I know we could handle more sail in those conditions but I am trying to learn to settle the boat in different conditions
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Whats important when reefing is the ANGLE that the resultant stress makes with the reduced sail .... much like the same exact function of moving a jib fairlead car back and forth along the genoa track.

The 'plain vanilla' attachment point for the clew reefing line should be adjusted so that both the tension along the foot and leech of the reduced area wind up with 'equal' tension. A sliding cheekblock (for the reefing attachment) on the boom is the best way to get the angle correct ... and the foot/leech not unduly overloaded. If this arrangement isnt correcting the amount of heel to a comfortable angle, then reef 'deeper' !!!!!!!!! instead of the potential of 'busting' a sail by over-tensioning an edge.
From the attached pic below, you want the stress to pass through the centroid of area in the reduced sail area ... this will ensure equal stress along the leech and foot edges for good sail shape as the sail designer intended (even when reefed).
How to find the 'centroid': divide each 'edge' (foot,luff,leech) in half and draw an imaginary line from the 'corner' that is opposite of the 'side' ... where the three bisecting (dashed) lines meet is the 'centroid' ... and thats where if a single line (solid blue arrow) would 'point' if there was only one single reef line at the clew.

Most who reef seem to grossly 'overdo' it.
1. sail area reduction by reefing will decrease heeling
2. over-tensioning the outhaul will cause a FLAT shape in the bottom sections ... and that will leave one with little 'power' if needed to 'punch' through waves ... youve reduced the area but have left the sail SHAPE in 3rd or 'HIGH gear', when sometimes you need a lower / 2nd Gear for the 'punching'. Over-tensioning of the foot (by outhaul) will also 'relax' the leech which makes it vulnerable to 'flogging' because its now 'pointing' too far to leeward --- a good way to rip/shred the stitching if it starts to flog especially when tacking.
On most boats if the amount of heeling is still not under control when putting in a first reef ..... simply reef deeper (2nd reef) and 'ease' the 2nd reef outhaul to provide the needed draft to keep the boat 'moving forward' with more power lower down in the sail ... much better than having a FLAT reefed sail that doesnt have enough power and that cant accelerate out of a tack or a boat thats constantly being stopped dead by large oncoming waves.

Tying in the reef points .... loose, so that the stretching sail can 'move' and you dont pull out the cringles. For a 'first reef' I hardly ever 'tie in the bunt' .... I just let it flap or very 'loosely tie in the areas a-flapping' if sailing 'short legs'.

Strap across the reef clew, isnt really necessary and may adversely affect the 'direction of tension to the centroid' of the reef clew line. On reefing set ups with fixed cheekblocks on the boom usually results in too much tension along the leech and then you have to 'play' with the vang to make the corrections so the leech doesnt get 'over stretched'. If you NEED a strap across the reef's clew, you probably have the WRONG position on the reef-line cheekblock and it should probably be moved forward ....but then again most who reef overtension the foot of the reefed section !!!!

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Jun 16, 2011
173
Catalina 350 Rock hall
Thanks rich good info
I only have one reef point I keep thinking about my setup and there were probably three things I should have done different
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Next time you pass by the last long bulkhead when leaving Worton, wave! Im the 'beige monster' just inside that bulkhead. A lot of slip mates took a beating this past Sunday out on the bay, all loved it.
 
Jun 16, 2011
173
Catalina 350 Rock hall
Will do rich I did not realize you were right there I think I have seen your boat did you used to be at handys point??
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I sometimes store my boat on the hard at Handys when not traveling or am doing bottom work. Last winter, I was in the dead center of their yard.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
The large deck at the entrance to D dock is the social meeting place at dinner time ... mostly chardonnay, pinot and 'reds'.
 
Dec 4, 2008
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Other people's boats - Milford, CT
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Additionally, on the two occasions where I had to reef I really could have cared less about sail trim --- all I wanted to do was get the sucker back to the dock in one piece.
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I can see not caring about speed, but having a good sail shape in this situation can make it more likely to get back to the dock, as well as making it a more comfortable ride for everyone aboard. Comfortable enough to keep sailing even.

RichH describes the details below more thoroughly than I could. Except when the wind is that high, I don't find lack of acceleration to be an issue. So flat sails it is.

Todd
 
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