Re-Engine Your C27 With a 4-Stroke

Jaco

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Jul 19, 2013
2
Catalina C27 San Diego
About 8 years ago my Johnson 9.9 two-stroke died. I wanted to replace it with a cleaner and four-stroke, but they were all way too big for the C27 transom mount so I had the Johnson re-built. Now it has died again and I still want a 4-stroke, but it must fit properly as intended by Catalina. I looked at the 10 HP 4-strokes and found that Honda and Tohatsu are still way too big. But the Yamaha 9.9 is smaller because it uses the same head as their 8HP. I measured carefully and decided the Yamaha 9.9 could/would fit, but the transom must be modified. I’ve seen some questionable C27 modifications and wanted my installation to be clean (no hatch or deck modifications). I was able to make the modifications and install the Yamaha 9.9 in my slip.
Using the back corner of the transom mount as reference, the pivot point on the Yamaha mounting bracket was in about the same location as my Johnson. But the lifting handle on the Yamaha is about 2 inches higher than my Johnson, and I only had 3/4 inch clearance through the hatch. To avoid modifying the deck or hatch, I decided to lower the transom mount 1 3/4 inches. I also had to widen the opening at the bottom by 1 1/2 inches (3/4 inches on each side). I used a hole saw and a reciprocating saw to do this. Rigid makes a nice one-handed reciprocating saw so you can use your other hand to vacuum up saw dust (marinas are fussy about pollution and you can get a ticket).
I first marked a horizontal line 1.75 inches below the existing transom (on the outside). Then I marked a vertical line coming down from the existing upper corner radius on both sides to intersect the horizontal line (0.75 inches outside the existing hole on each side). This marks the basic opening, but you will want to cut a nice radius for each corner. I used a hole saw to cut out the corners of the new transom (the radius just intersects with the vertical and horizontal lines). My hole saw would not go all the way through because the transom is too thick, but it still gave me a nice round corner to meet up with when cutting the sides with the reciprocating saw.
I cleaned up my cuts with an orbital sander and a file before filling and fairing with West epoxy. The C27 has a wooden stiffener in the fiberglass around the hole for the outboard. You have to cut this to make the hole larger. I called Catalina about this and they told me it was OK to cut it, but I should re-enforce the opening with fiberglass to keep it stiff. I’m not sure this was really necessary because I didn’t remove the stiffener completely. But just to be safe, I added fiberglass inside the bottom of the transom when I filled it with West epoxy. I wrapped the fiberglass cloth inside and down to make a hard corner on the inside of the transom, and up each side to connect with the wooden stiffener. After several layers of West epoxy and sanding, the transom was waterproof and stiff. I scrubbed the inside of the engine compartment and painted it with 2-part white epoxy paint. Then I painted the hole edges with blue LP paint to match my hull. It came out looking professional - you can’t tell that the transom was modified.
But if you want this to be really nice, you need an external control box to easily control the throttle when maneuvering. I purchased the Yamaha 703 control box with the 2013 Yamaha 9.9 LEB model – this is all electric with electric choke. It is very cool to just insert the key and start the outboard from inside your cockpit like an inboard. This motor does not even come with a pull start, but you can start it manually if you remove the cover. The real kick is how quiet this motor is. You cannot hear it when it is idling! When motoring around the harbor, the splash of the coolant from the pee-hole is about as loud as the motor! I love the Yamaha and I am very pleased with my transom modifications. Check out the pic’s. Good luck if you try this – measure carefully - it fits! Happy sailing!
 

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Jon_E

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Mar 19, 2011
119
Catalina 27 Marina del Rey
I have the Yamaha 8HP version of this engine. This has the same dimensions and displacement but with a smaller carburetor than the 9.9. It is extremely fuel effecient, is very quiet and ultra reliable. On top of that it is far less polluting than the 2 strokes. I simply love this engine.

My model is the high thrust long shaft electric start. When doing modifications for my transom cut-out, I decided to shave a bit off the top rather than the bottom for several reasons. First and foremost, the long shaft already misses the rudder by a hair; lowering it further would interfere with the rudder. Second, the OB already sits lower in the water than it should and was concerned about more saltwater splashing up into the engine than necessary. Lastly, the cut-out makes a "V" shape and the engine is already a very snug fit on the bottom. For all of those reasons it was decided to modify the top of the cutout instead of the bottom.

The attached photo shows my modification. Two inches were shaved from the top; though I probably could have gotten by with removing only an inch and a half.
 

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Jaco

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Jul 19, 2013
2
Catalina C27 San Diego
Hi Jon,

I lowered the motor to avoid making modifications to the hatch. I forgot to mention that the 20" long shaft does interfere with the rudder. My old 20" Johnson had the same issue. I had to use the middle tilt setting to move the lower unit away from the rudder. With the rake of the transom the engine is still close to vertical. I'm also very happy with the Yamaha - no more dirty 2-stroke, it is so quiet, and I guess my gas mileage will be almost 2X what it was.:)
 
Jul 9, 2012
9
Catalina cat 27 Alamas bay
outboards

Hey there Skipper, I want a new motor so bad I can taste it, had same problem as you, and would love to have your finished measurements. Mine as most or all 27's around here have been modified, and all are different I swear I will not go out again without a new motor.so a little help please.
ramrod3@aol.com Wanna B Gonn
 
Nov 12, 2010
12
Catalina 27 Seattle
Which Yamaha 9.9?

Is that the T9.9 or the F9.9?

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About 8 years ago my Johnson 9.9 two-stroke died. I wanted to replace it with a cleaner and four-stroke, but they were all way too big for the C27 transom mount so I had the Johnson re-built. Now it has died again and I still want a 4-stroke, but it must fit properly as intended by Catalina. I looked at the 10 HP 4-strokes and found that Honda and Tohatsu are still way too big. But the Yamaha 9.9 is smaller because it uses the same head as their 8HP. I measured carefully and decided the Yamaha 9.9 could/would fit, but the transom must be modified. I’ve seen some questionable C27 modifications and wanted my installation to be clean (no hatch or deck modifications). I was able to make the modifications and install the Yamaha 9.9 in my slip.
Using the back corner of the transom mount as reference, the pivot point on the Yamaha mounting bracket was in about the same location as my Johnson. But the lifting handle on the Yamaha is about 2 inches higher than my Johnson, and I only had 3/4 inch clearance through the hatch. To avoid modifying the deck or hatch, I decided to lower the transom mount 1 3/4 inches. I also had to widen the opening at the bottom by 1 1/2 inches (3/4 inches on each side). I used a hole saw and a reciprocating saw to do this. Rigid makes a nice one-handed reciprocating saw so you can use your other hand to vacuum up saw dust (marinas are fussy about pollution and you can get a ticket).
I first marked a horizontal line 1.75 inches below the existing transom (on the outside). Then I marked a vertical line coming down from the existing upper corner radius on both sides to intersect the horizontal line (0.75 inches outside the existing hole on each side). This marks the basic opening, but you will want to cut a nice radius for each corner. I used a hole saw to cut out the corners of the new transom (the radius just intersects with the vertical and horizontal lines). My hole saw would not go all the way through because the transom is too thick, but it still gave me a nice round corner to meet up with when cutting the sides with the reciprocating saw.
I cleaned up my cuts with an orbital sander and a file before filling and fairing with West epoxy. The C27 has a wooden stiffener in the fiberglass around the hole for the outboard. You have to cut this to make the hole larger. I called Catalina about this and they told me it was OK to cut it, but I should re-enforce the opening with fiberglass to keep it stiff. I’m not sure this was really necessary because I didn’t remove the stiffener completely. But just to be safe, I added fiberglass inside the bottom of the transom when I filled it with West epoxy. I wrapped the fiberglass cloth inside and down to make a hard corner on the inside of the transom, and up each side to connect with the wooden stiffener. After several layers of West epoxy and sanding, the transom was waterproof and stiff. I scrubbed the inside of the engine compartment and painted it with 2-part white epoxy paint. Then I painted the hole edges with blue LP paint to match my hull. It came out looking professional - you can’t tell that the transom was modified.
But if you want this to be really nice, you need an external control box to easily control the throttle when maneuvering. I purchased the Yamaha 703 control box with the 2013 Yamaha 9.9 LEB model – this is all electric with electric choke. It is very cool to just insert the key and start the outboard from inside your cockpit like an inboard. This motor does not even come with a pull start, but you can start it manually if you remove the cover. The real kick is how quiet this motor is. You cannot hear it when it is idling! When motoring around the harbor, the splash of the coolant from the pee-hole is about as loud as the motor! I love the Yamaha and I am very pleased with my transom modifications. Check out the pic’s. Good luck if you try this – measure carefully - it fits! Happy sailing!
 
Nov 12, 2010
12
Catalina 27 Seattle
Smoke Tested a new F9.9

Based on this thread, I pulled the trigger on a remote control, electric start F9.9. I finally got around to putting it on the boat (without modifying the transom - that's the next stage) this weekend.

My Take on this Motor
1. It has plenty of power - reversing stopped the boat in about a boat length and a half when I was motoring at 3ish knots in the marina. My previous outboard (an 80's Mercury 7.5) would still be going full throttle in reverse today if I were trying to stop the boat by throwing it into reverse when doing 3kts.

2. It definitely doesn't tilt up out of the water without modifying the cutout. Even when I took the cowling off, I had to mash around the plastic housings to tilt the motor out of the water. Even then, the cowling wouldn't fit back on the motor, so you'd have to leave it naked or down in the water if you refuse to modify the transom cutout (I'm waiting for a haulout to get that done.)

3. It's sooooo much quieter than my old two-stroke. I had read folks "complaining" that they ground the starter because they couldn't tell whether it was running and pressed the start button after it was already going. That's not entirely true (and there's a very vigorous stream of water coming out the side) but it's surprisingly quiet - quieter than I expected - the better part is that a buddy who helped out has an inboard-model C27. He said it's actually better than having an inboard because when he motors, all you hear inside the cabin is the motor. If you're puttering around under power, being inside the cabin's bearable with this one.

4. I bought the low-pitch prop used on the T9.9, assuming that I'd need it for close quarters maneuvering. This prop does not fit on the F9.9 - I will need to return it. However, I don't think I need it, given how well the outboard reverses. Happily, there isn't much (if any) difference in the perceived force on the rudder when running the outboard in reverse. You still have to hold it but it's not like the tiller is harder to hold on to.

Parts I bought
-F9.9 long shaft, remote control, electric start (F9.9LEB) - the bracket for the electric tilt model extends low enough that the C27s I saw with that outboard were dragging the bracket through the water, so I decided to skip the electric tilt. Besides, it's not like it's a V6 you're trying to raise...

-703 control box.

-2 Yamaha 4' control cables

Next Steps
- Cut a hole in the cockpit near the control box to run the cables through.

- Cut a hole in the starboard aft bulkhead to run the battery cables to the battery (we tested it with some jumper cables connecting the motor to the battery)

- Figure out a good way to tension the lateral movement of the motor - it doesn't have a tensioner, as it's designed for remote steering. This means the motor could flop to one side or the other, vectoring the thrust in a way that you don't want. It turns about 20-30 degrees at this point. I want to figure out how I can add a tensioner so that I can pivot it if I need to but still keep it straight most of the time (and still tilt the motor up out of the water, so that means I'm probably not connecting it to anything mounted on the boat.)

- Haul out the boat & enlarge the transom cutout in the next few weeks.

It's going to take a little more work to dial it in and the Yamaha outboards are obscenely expensive but the quiet and the amazing maneuverability afforded by this outboard make it worth it to me.

Hope that helps someone else. (Unfortunately, I don't get a referral kickback from Yamaha) If they made it just a little smaller, they'd have every C27 outboard owner banging down their door. The only cause for hesitation is that you really need to modify the transom to make this work well.
 
Feb 22, 2012
1
Catalina 27 Charleston
Scott,

Do you happen to have any pictures of your outboard in the well? I am extremely close to buying the Yamaha 9.9 and am trying to decide between one with the tiller steering/ controls and the remote controls and using the boats rudder for steering. I currently have an spring bracket off the transom so am basically set up for the tiller but cockpit throttle controls are pretty enticing. My only concern is being able to fully tilt the moter out of the water if it were iin the transom. Also, how tight is the motor from side to side. Do you think I could fit the motor with the tiller in the motor well without modifications to the width? Of course electric start is crucial!
Thank you!