Project c22.

Aug 10, 2020
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Catalina, Hunter C25 3559 Rocky Mount
Keel is removed. Pin is in sad shape. Hole is still the right size in the middle.

The plan is to built up the hole with weld, by welding around the pin. Steel doesn't stick to bronze, so this should work. I'm cutting a new pin out of a stainless propeller shaft I've got laying around. While it's out, obviously it will be cleaned up, faired and painted.
 

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Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
Keel is removed. Pin is in sad shape. Hole is still the right size in the middle.

The plan is to built up the hole with weld, by welding around the pin. Steel doesn't stick to bronze, so this should work. I'm cutting a new pin out of a stainless propeller shaft I've got laying around. While it's out, obviously it will be cleaned up, faired and painted.
So the pin will stay the same size?
 
Aug 10, 2020
612
Catalina, Hunter C25 3559 Rocky Mount
So the pin will stay the same size?
Pin will remain 1", but stainless. I will build up the wear on the keel with weld, using the old bronze pin as a slug to weld up to.

This leaves the option open to drill and install a bushing if I fail.
 
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May 10, 2022
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Catalina 22 Swing Keel Puget Sound
There are some disadvantages to replacing the Catalina 22's bronze keel pivot pin with stainless steel, particularly in saltwater. But it's not necessarily a bad idea.

1. Galvanic corrosion:
Your assembly consists of:
Keel: Cast iron
Hangers: Bronze
Original pivot pin: Silicon bronze
Proposed replacement: 316 stainless steel

Stainless steel is generally more noble than bronze and cast iron in seawater.

Replacing the bronze pin with stainless could increase galvanic corrosion of the cast iron where the metals contact each other.

However, the original bronze-and-iron combination already presents a galvanic corrosion concern.

Galvanic corrosion is worth considering, but it isn't necessarily a dealbreaker.

2. Crevice corrosion

This is potentially the more significant concern.

Stainless steel depends on oxygen to maintain its protective chromium oxide layer.

Inside the keel's pivot hole, oxygen availability can be limited.

Under these conditions, even 316 stainless can experience localized crevice corrosion.

Silicon bronze doesn't have this particular vulnerability.

3. Wear characteristics

Bronze is an excellent bearing material.

A stainless pin running directly against bronze hangers could work, but the harder stainless pin may transfer more wear (& galvanic corrosion) to the hangers.

With the original bronze pin, wear is more likely to occur on the relatively inexpensive, replaceable pin.

That's a useful characteristic of the original design.

4. Strength

Here's where stainless has an advantage.

A suitable stainless alloy generally offers greater mechanical strength than conventional silicon bronze.

However, the Catalina 22 uses a substantial 1-inch-diameter pivot pin.

The original bronze pin is already designed to support the keel.

I haven't found evidence that additional pin strength is necessary.

5. What Catalina actually specifies

Catalina's original documentation identifies the pivot pin as silicon bronze.

Interestingly, Catalina Direct sells a stainless steel retrofit bushing for the cast-iron keel, but continues to supply a bronze pivot pin.
But this application too is susceptible to crevice corrosion due to the lack of available oxygen.

That suggests stainless steel can be incorporated into this assembly successfully, although it doesn't establish that a stainless pivot pin is preferable.

I'd retain the silicon-bronze pivot pin.
It's the cheaper "fuse" in the system.

Not because stainless is inherently unsuitable, but because bronze offers an excellent combination of corrosion resistance, bearing characteristics, and proven service history.

And a replacement bronze pin is only about $27.
...Just my opinion for what it's worth.
My intention is to be helpful. :)
 
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Aug 10, 2020
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Catalina, Hunter C25 3559 Rocky Mount
There are some disadvantages to replacing the Catalina 22's bronze keel pivot pin with stainless steel, particularly in saltwater. But it's not necessarily a bad idea.

1. Galvanic corrosion:
Your assembly consists of:
Keel: Cast iron
Hangers: Bronze
Original pivot pin: Silicon bronze
Proposed replacement: 316 stainless steel

Stainless steel is generally more noble than bronze and cast iron in seawater.

Replacing the bronze pin with stainless could increase galvanic corrosion of the cast iron where the metals contact each other.

However, the original bronze-and-iron combination already presents a galvanic corrosion concern.

Galvanic corrosion is worth considering, but it isn't necessarily a dealbreaker.

2. Crevice corrosion

This is potentially the more significant concern.

Stainless steel depends on oxygen to maintain its protective chromium oxide layer.

Inside the keel's pivot hole, oxygen availability can be limited.

Under these conditions, even 316 stainless can experience localized crevice corrosion.

Silicon bronze doesn't have this particular vulnerability.

3. Wear characteristics

Bronze is an excellent bearing material.

A stainless pin running directly against bronze hangers could work, but the harder stainless pin may transfer more wear (& galvanic corrosion) to the hangers.

With the original bronze pin, wear is more likely to occur on the relatively inexpensive, replaceable pin.

That's a useful characteristic of the original design.

4. Strength

Here's where stainless has an advantage.

A suitable stainless alloy generally offers greater mechanical strength than conventional silicon bronze.

However, the Catalina 22 uses a substantial 1-inch-diameter pivot pin.

The original bronze pin is already designed to support the keel.

I haven't found evidence that additional pin strength is necessary.

5. What Catalina actually specifies

Catalina's original documentation identifies the pivot pin as silicon bronze.

Interestingly, Catalina Direct sells a stainless steel retrofit bushing for the cast-iron keel, but continues to supply a bronze pivot pin.
But this application too is susceptible to crevice corrosion due to the lack of available oxygen.

That suggests stainless steel can be incorporated into this assembly successfully, although it doesn't establish that a stainless pivot pin is preferable.

I'd retain the silicon-bronze pivot pin.
It's the cheaper "fuse" in the system.

Not because stainless is inherently unsuitable, but because bronze offers an excellent combination of corrosion resistance, bearing characteristics, and proven service history.

And a replacement bronze pin is only about $27.
...Just my opinion for what it's worth.
My intention is to be helpful. :)
It's going to trailer sailed in fresh water. I've decided to drill out the keel and use bronze bushings. The dissimilar metals, and price aren't a concern. I just happen to have all the materials on hand, a lathe and a mill.... I like making my own stuff.

Thank you for you opinion. You stated it eloquently.