Progressive insurance

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I am considering switching to Progressive from Boat US (Geico). Premium is much less. I am looking for comments from those who have experience with these companies. I have been with Boat US for over 15 years and never filed a claim, yet Progressive is giving me a premium at 1/3 the cost.
 

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Mar 20, 2014
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Hunter 31 828 Shoreacres, TX
I have had Progressive for 10:years. We have an agreed value policy. I have made one claim it was handled quickly and fairly, and because of the vanishing deductible I only paid $100.00, but for sure compare the policies to make sure they are apples to apples
 
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Feb 21, 2013
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Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
Progressive insures my 41 foot fifth wheel trailer. They paid out a claim (first claim) for collision damage last year, were very responsive and very helpful referring me to a shop to repair it and keeping me advised on the status of the repair.
 
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Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I have Progressive auto policy. Recently I hit a bollard while parking. Claims process was easy and fast. I had some credit towards the deductible so that was knocked down $50. I did use their selected shop but I think they did an excellent job - even detailing the car.
 

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Feb 21, 2008
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Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
I was struck by lightening and prodressive would not pay. They had me hire an electrician who wrote a report which they denied because he wasn't a "marine"electrician. (The electrician said they wouldn't pay). Next they wanted a rigger to take pix of the top of the mast even though you could see the anometer (sp) look like a sparkler and my instruments were all blown out of their mounts. I used a drone to get the pix. Next they wanted me to pull the mast for an exam at my expense. I was already for $300 out of pocket and decided to cancel and switched to Geico/Boatus. Hope others have better luck
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Hinckley Sou’wester 30 Falmouth ME
My previous boat, a 24-foot Canadian Challenger, was struck by lightning just a few years ago and Progressive paid and was very straightforward. Unfortunately the boat was totaled.

I wonder how much depends on the adjuster you get?
 
Oct 26, 2010
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Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
I was struck by lightening and prodressive would not pay.
Odd - I was struck by lightning and they paid out very fairly including pulling the mast, replacing all damaged electronics to the tune of about $15K. It was handled fairly quickley. Yes, they wanted evidence that it was ligtning and the adjuster came by (with the mast down) and confirmed by the evidence (all things on the top of the mast were vaporized or knocked off the masthead and a fried antenna base. I think it has a lot to do with the adjuster and the boat yard you are at. My boat yard has a good relationship with all the insurance adjusters that service the area and went to bat for us. He was doing most of the dealing with the adjuster, not me. No increase in policy cost either.

I also had a hurricane claim a couple of years later from damage of a stray boat that broke loose from its mooring and tore off anchor roller and pulpit, then swung around and tore off the stern rail. Settlement was very fair and all was fixed with no hassles, including repair of a nearly new Raymarine a98 where the screen was cracked when the spinnaker haylard swing around hit the screen. Still no increase in premium and I am amazed at that.

Then a couple years later, a freak storm came through and forced my hull against the pier and rubbed the paint all the way down to the fiberglass in a few spots. They paid for painting a good portion of that side of the hull and I paid the rest and had the whole hull painted. Since I had hard paint that was just put on a month before the damage, they even paid for a light sand and a new coat of hard paint since it become ineffective when out of the water for several weeks. I thought that was very fair if not generous. I am very happy with them. Again, my boat yard owner went to bat for me on the bottom paint explaining the effect of exposing hard paint out of the water for an extended period and the fact that he had just painted the bottom.
 
Feb 10, 2004
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Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
I have had Progressive for the last 4-5 years and have just switched to a different carrier. Progressive would not write an agreed value policy on my 24 year old boat. Not even with a new survey. So I left them.
 

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Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Progressive would not write an agreed value policy on my 24 year old boat
They just renewed my policy with out a survey.
Perhaps they know what boat they have after they Reconstruct mine.:biggrin:

Try to get a bank loan on a 20+ year large boat. Same thing will be encountered.
Jim...
 
Oct 26, 2010
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Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Rich, is it possible your request for "agreed value" $ amount exceeded some parameters they have is some guide for the model and age of your boat. ie. They don't "agree" that your boat is worth what you say it rather than simply the age of the boat? Just asking. I'm not an insurance underwriter but I'd guess they have some guidelines or "book" on the value of a boat of a particular builder and model and if the boat exceed that they won't insure it. They would almost have to have that, survey or no survey. I'll have to check my policy again to see if they snuck in getting rid of the agreed value clause but they just renewed mine this month and I believe my 40.5 is older than yours but my "agreed value" is probably less than yours.
 
Feb 10, 2004
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Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Rich, is it possible your request for "agreed value" $ amount exceeded some parameters they have is some guide for the model and age of your boat.
Actually Dan, my agent told me that Progressive won't do an agreed valve for boats over 20 years old, and there was another excluding parameter that I can't remember. We never got to the point of specifying an agreed value. B/US would do an agreed value but only at 56K which I thought was ridiculously low. So I went with Marine Underwriters with an agreed value that I think is still a little low but is still acceptable.
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
This 'discussion' is both interesting and depressing.
We have been with BoatUS insurance for many years. Back in the 90's, I had a recent survey to present at the start of the, ah, relationship.
They told us that they would, randomly, select policy holders for a survey that they would pay for (and own). This actually happened to a friend of mine. He passed albeit with some upgrades required due to changes in system standards over the years -- he did the upgrades and continued to be insured by them. Other than the few noted defaults, they would not share the rest of the survey without his reimbursing them for the cost.
I believe that they may have dropped this procedure/requirement after changing to Geico.

Interestingly, I have never been asked for a new survey, and it's been about 20 years. In 2018, we installed a new drive train and I asked them to increase my coverage to reflect the increase in value of our boat (to us) and they did so based on a phone call. Note that our boat's Agreed Value has nothing to do with average pricing on lesser-maintained sister ships that are advertised sometimes.
This is with their new underwriter, and we have never had a claim with BoatUS, then or now. I just finished a complete re-fit, with new LPU paint, deck and hull. We are currently doing a new survey, and then will ask for a new 'agreed value' from the insurer. If they balk, we will have to go elsewhere.

It would be poor business of them to turn us down, tho. Since they charge a fixed % of the value for the yearly coverage and we have a good track record, they make a lot of money on our premiums. My limited experience is that good boat insurance costs approx. $10/thousand, whether the asset value is low, middle, or high.

IMHO you pick the quality of the insurer's reputation, and then figure out what it would take to replace YOUR boat (emphasis on your's and no one else's), and insure for the remotely-possible-but-not-likely fire or flooding.
The insurer just wants to reduce the likelihood of ever (!) having to pay a claim, so they want your boat to be in such good condition that they make money on your premiums ---- for them, a high value boat is more profitable than one of low value that is also more likely to cost them money.
Their bureaucracy costs them about the same overhead $ whether they insure ten cheap boats more likely to, on the average, cost them a payout, or one or two highly-maintained better quality boats with a closer-to-zero chance of ever costing them any payout.

All that said, they may still make stupid or illogical underwriting decisions about age, make, and model.

Plus, they have to maintain adequate cash reserves to pay loses beyond the reasonable control of the boat owner, like weather events and damage from other at-fault vessels.

Please keep the anecdotal comments coming. Good info for us all!
 
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Oct 26, 2010
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Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
I wonder if this is "covid related". I don't say that as a joke or a slam. I was just having a discussion this morning with another boat owner that since COVID there are many many "new boat owners" who should never have or be allowed to own a boat, especially a big boat and especially a big sailboat. Their claim payouts have "skyrocketed" based on his discussion with an insurance agent is that is a friend of his. Of course this is second hand info and should be taken with a grain of salt and I don't see how it should impact experienced boat owners with a history of coverage but who knows how the minds of big companies work? Although I don't have it as first hand, he indicated that at least one company is refusing to write insurance for boat owners who have not completed a boating safety course for small boats or a "certification course" for larger sailboats. Still second hand info so take it with a grain of salt.
 
Apr 3, 2020
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Hunter 23.5 Frenchtown, MT
Actually Dan, my agent told me that Progressive won't do an agreed valve for boats over 20 years old, and there was another excluding parameter that I can't remember. We never got to the point of specifying an agreed value. B/US would do an agreed value but only at 56K which I thought was ridiculously low. So I went with Marine Underwriters with an agreed value that I think is still a little low but is still acceptable.
Interesting regarding the 20 yr old 'rule'. I just bought an agreed value policy on my '87 H26.5 from Progressive. I may only be an engineer, but even I can do that math and I'm fairly certain my boat is older that 20 yrs. No survey, just poke some numbers into the website and provide my debit card number.
 
Feb 10, 2004
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Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Although I don't have it as first hand, he indicated that at least one company is refusing to write insurance for boat owners who have not completed a boating safety course for small boats or a "certification course" for larger sailboats. Still second hand info so take it with a grain of salt.
I have a Full Certificate with USPS which means I have taken every course they offer from Seamanship to Celestial Navigation. It cut no ice.
 
Oct 26, 2010
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Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Huh? Seems to be a lot of disparity. Rich, did you talk only to a single agent on the phone? I wonder if its a matter of individual agent applying his/her judgement. It seems if others are able to get agreed value for boats over 20 years that it is not a corporate policy? Otherwise why would they be able to get it underwritten? Seems odd.