Please step out of your boat...

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Lee

What are we doing?

As a country we have too many Bureaucrats, when you have too many Bureaucrats they think up things to do. It's as simple as that, it's easier to create a new system and then blame the failures of that new system on the fact that it is new, than it is to figure out how to fix a system that exists and make it work for your needs. About once every six months or so we hear from one more Bureaucrat with another reason to have a "National ID Card" for the purpose of preserving our boarders, what crap! I thought we had one and it was called a Passport, am I wrong? And even with all of the drill that one must go through to get a Passport, they can still be gotten illegally. Read the paper, almost every month, or so it seems, there is another story of some large company or some "secure" government agency misplacing a disc with mutiple thousands of personal ID's on them. If it is there someone will steal it or compromise it, it always happens like that. My point is that no system is foolproof or for that matter truely secure. I have a great deal of respect for our men and woman in uniform, but I do not have the same respect for their (our) military leaders. I would carry 10 ID's around my neck if it would improve the safety or protection of even one of those kids; but it will not. It seems that the top brass always want something new and different because they can not figure out how to do their job and make the tools they have work. So in my opinion, no new ID's are needed on board or anywhere else in our country.
 
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capn Bill

which one?

I don't have a problem with a "boaters' I.D." I have a NEXUS card for just that purpose. What I DO have a problem with is that these government organizations need to get together and PICK ONE! One wants a birth certificate. One wants a passport. One wants a CANPASS (or an I-68!) They refuse to get together! I tried using my NEXUS card on a ferry passage from Canada to the US and almost got arrested because I didn't show my birth certificate first! That's rediculous! Bill on STARGAZER
 
May 31, 2004
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Catalina 28 Branford
Another vote for "no thanks"

I've never been stopped by the Coast Guard, but I can't imagine that they are any better at issuing id's than the state DMV, the DEP (here in CT we need a boater's "certificate"), American Express, MasterCard, etc. I would think this would be obvious to the thickest regulator; however, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main reasons for these new id cards isn't security, but as a source of revenue for the CG to undertake its new Homeland Security duties.
 

slunga

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Aug 21, 2006
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What's that poke ?

Just another case of our bloated government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.
 

mccary

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Oct 29, 2005
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Catalina 27 Galesville, West River, MD
Barking up the wrong tree yet again...

Gosh another government intrusion with meaningless end point. If the Coast Guard had wanted to issue a boater's licesnse for compentency to show a slill level I would not cried foul. But to ask for a boaters licesnse based on security so they can keep track of who is driving a boat, is just nonsense! Why not install TSA security check points for marinas and add a sobriety check as well? What are these people smoking?
 
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John

Revenue Grenerator

Sounds like just another revenue generator for the government.
 
Dec 2, 1999
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Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
No need for anything else.

There is a new law that has yet to be implemented. This will take care of any identification that we should need again.
 
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Dirk Faegre

Freedom? Liberty?

Many seem to miss a basic point. It's all well and good to license people for various activites and/or to provide ID (social security card, for example). But it gets dangerous for anyone, including government, to have too much info about us. The problem rears it's ugly head when this ID and info get MISused. And it does. All the time. Were we to be guaranteed that it wouldn't be abused or exploited (which, is impossible), I'd be willing to comply. But given that inappropriate use of this new data is likely, I'm against it. My driver's license and passport are all they need. Both are used heavily in identification as we all know. It would be far better to make them more secure than rolling out another one. Let's improve what we have and not just create another bureaucracy and additional taxes and more paperwork. No, DON'T DO IT.
 
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tom

I am sure that the terrorists

I am sure that the terrorists will be sure to comply with the laws..not!!! That is kinda like gun control laws...criminals that are going to shoot someone aren't worried about gun laws. Just like immigration laws have no effect on all of the criminals that sneak across our border every night. What we need is a national identification card. Of course that is a political hot potato.
 
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Doug

Scream from the tallest mountain

how stupid this is. Homeland security is not known for it's effiency to put it mildly. A new tax, and that's what it is, will not make anyone more secure. The patriot act through the propagation of fear has been abused since it's inception. What's next, no sissors on boats? On the flip side, I do understand in so FL. or so CA.it may be tough for the CG. to determine if a hispanic sailor is legal. HISPANICS are not Jihadists so if that's what this is about, address the issue honestly!
 
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Ed

insecure security

Years ago I was asked to apply for a security clearance for a major company. It wasn't long before some very private info got back to be from unrelated sources. I quickly blew the whistle . No harm done but the point is even the government can't control the info. I am in total favor of educating the boating public, but tend to fall short of personal id more that a auto licenses . And yes I have been stopped on several occasions . The USCG was very professional and helpful. They checked for personal ids ,auto licenses was fine .
 
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Buck

two answers

After spending 23 years with the Coast Guard i feel certain that boarding officer dosent like this idea any better than we do. The problem with the U.S, goverment is no one is held accountable. Why dosent the guy with the idea come forward so we can hear from him, i would assume he wants to stay behind closed doors so he will be reelected. If you think you have a problem, you should sail in my area. I have both the Canadian and American Coast Guard to deal with. I think replys #7 from Jeff and #21 from Bill sums it up quite well.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Brought to you by the same wonderful

people that made treaties with the Indians and has been afraid of Cuba for fifty years.
 
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Paul Michaelis

The idiots have control of the asylum

This is definitely a "feel good" proposition that can accomplish little to nothing except to spend more taxpayer's money. I would like to hear an explanation of how this can do any good. Are we going to pay for maritime police forces to run around our waterways stopping vessels and checking IDs? Maybe they'll outfit the IDs with GPS transponders to allow tracking. Maybe the next step is having manufacturers outfit all boats with GPS transponders to allow tracking. Just imagine, an air controllers organization for the waterways. Hey, if we get creative enough we can establish a whole new bureacracy and get civil service workers to man it just like the airlines have boarding shakedowns at airports. Wow, there is now end to what creative government can devise!
 
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tom

I like the National ID card idea

A good national ID card with a memory chip that the authorities can read is a good idea. It can do away with employers hiring illegals and make it harder for criminals to operate. Our drivers license has become a defacto ID and it is not very reliable. My teenage son had several so that he could buy booze and get into bars when he was 16 and 17. Of course I found out about this when he was in his 20's. But a smart ID card could have a lot of information and be more difficult to duplicate. It would probably do away with identity theft. Isn't it ridiculus that the gold standard of ID our Social security number has no photo..no fingerprint, nothing to relate the card to the person. Someone might get a little curious if John Smith looked a lot like Jesus Silva but then that would be profiling. But if John Smith shows up with a national ID card driving a boat and he looks Jesus Silva a quick scan and a computer search should confirm that it is indeed John Smith operating John Smith's boat. It would be great if they collected some DNA and fingerprints while issuing a national ID card. That way when the terrorists blow up something they can identify the bodies. I vote no boater ID but a national ID
 
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Niels

BOAT ID ?¿?

Moronic IDEA. Must have come from a Congressman who thinks he'll get a few votes. If we want to create jobs, let's create some that will help the growing number of poor people in our country, not add to the bureaucracy.
 

Tereza

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Jun 10, 2005
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Hunter 146 Candlewood Lake, CT
Don't whine over the "security" issue

Just about all of us, me included, happily fork over WAY more personal information than this when we want to buy that latest new plasma screen from BestBuy or apply for a new DisneyWorld/AlUnser/BrittneySpears affinity credit card, or for a car loan... We already have driver's licenses and passports...I don't see a problem in simply making that uniform. Biggest risk to me is that if I get a speeding ticket in Denver, that my CT DMV will find out. Europe has had national IDs for years, and now an EU ID. My objection for doing it is the other one raised here...a combination of "why bother" and "they'll just screw it up anyway"... Not enough bang for the buck to warrant it. I just received my passport renewal today - what a small glimpse into unimaginable incompetence from 2 of our govt agencies...USPS and Passport Service. If any of you have passports expiring withint 6 months - don't delay!!!!!!!! (And I exclude my local PO from this attack, as Mark and Laura there went above and beyond to help - thanks you two!!)
 
Aug 1, 2005
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Downeaster Sailboat 38 ft. cutter rig lahaina hawaii
Coast Guard ID

Hey, I can buy a coast guard approved marine sanitation device for my head that has historical data stored that can be downloaded to a pc. With boat id the coast guard then would not only know who you are, but when and where you took your last s--t. This is getting too personal for me. Allan Shannon Hawaii
 
Jan 24, 2008
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Alerion Express 28 Oneida Lake, NY
I think this is a great idea,

as long as the issuing agency will guarantee us that they won't give them to terrorists!!! Paul
 
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