Pirates of the Caribbean

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Ross

Caleb B, I idea is to keep the playing field level otherwise you stay off the field.

I avoid going in harms way but when I have had to I did not go naked and I came home.
 
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CalebD

Ross, perhaps I am a bit naive or perhaps you are.

To 'level the playing field' one might bring along a lot of sterno and at least one 4' long 4" pipe with an end cap to make a home made mortar to fire off charges of what would amount to napalm at pirates. I am trying to think like MacGuyver here. None of this equipment (except perhaps the firing charges) would be illegal anywhere unless assembled. Guns are great for what they do but when some A-hole in he Red Sea decides to approach you with RPG's and machine guns you are really out gunned. Anyway, when was the last time you actually left the Chessie? I wish no one on this board ill will but I think that some of your high falutin' thinking about your sidearms is just a bit ludicrous. I have no bone to pick with you Ross. It is some of the other gun-nuts here that want to drag their armaments all over the planet that are my main objection.
And yes, I agree that there is no reason for ME to go into any areas that I should be very concerned about defending myself with anything more than a flare gun and a VHF radio. My eyes and ears are quite open to where the 'problem' spots are on our planet and I am not likely to get to any of them in my 27' Tartan or my 19' Lightning. You must choose your battles wisely.
Note to self: buy more flares and fire extinguishers before heading into the Red Sea and even points due south.
The most danger I felt I was in lately was from 'pirates' (more like refugees in rickety boats) coming up on us in the night around the Mona Passage between PR and the DR/Haiti on our way from Tortola to the Turks & Caicos. There were only two of us on board a 51' sailboat with no firearms and I pondered what we would do if we came across a ship of Cubans or Haitians. As long as they were in rickety old boats we could easily fire up the Perkins diesel and get the hell away from them rather than be overrun by a crew of 50 starved people. We did have a lot of diesel fuel in Jerry cans that could have been used in some MacGuyver'ish defense but the biggest threat seemed to be hitting any commercial traffic at night on a rather calm ocean (waves < 6').
Guns are US.
Good night.
 
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Dave D, '94 H26

oh calebd, where to begin

First of all' please use small words so we'uns down heah can understand. We are so far behind you siv-lized folk, we need you to slow down. I could walk faster if I owned shoes. I said to my sister the other night in bed: "golly, I'd liketa do to new yourk and see some them real live pimps and hookers and gang thugs and crack heads and street people and gangsters and such."

get a narrower paint brush pinhead

BTW, would you like to buy an automaitc weapon?
 
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Recess

Yes we do hunt... but

I would consider myself a good old boy as much as I would consider those posts from Caleb intellectual discussion. Somehow I doubt there are very many good ole boys on a sailing forum. We hunt deer, boar, and carry a side arm. Most of the time we are in the woods we never shoot anything. It is just nice to get out in nature, I would not want to meet up with a black bear with just a camera on me though. I cannot say that I have made any trips to sell guns to anyone in the inner city. Living in a place that has very low crime, absolutely beautiful scenery, and very polite and friendly people, I have to consider the point of view of someone that chooses to reside in a high crime, rat hole that is infested with people that want to kill each other over $26 in their wallet.

I think the equation is - the high density of trees with a low population of people = a great place to live.

Criminals know who own guns and what houses to avoid. Random violence is rarely random.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

What does any of this

have to do with carrying guns into FOREIGN countries?
I'm just trying to prevent this thread from getting booted.

Tony B
 
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Bogdan

Guns

wow, why not just stay here in the good old U.S of A.
(what did Sean Connory say, if they put 1 of yours in the hospital you put 1 of theres in the morgue)
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Bogdan...good question

thats why it will be difficult to answer.
I like to travel to a foreign country because there is something exciting about going 'somewhere else'.
Probably the same reason that some boaters will drive 200 miles to their boat on the Gulf of Mex as opposed to putting it in a lake nearby. Some of us have an adventurous spirit. The kind of spirit that brought my grandparents to this country.

Tony B
 
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Bogdan

I know

I know, but if someone wants to sail and be safe,there are other ways and staying in home waters is one of them, after being a cop for 14 years, you just either gun up as much as you can or stay home...
(poor sailors like me can only go to the great lakes)lol
have a great day
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

The Great Lakes

If it weren't for the cold weather, I would move to the Great Lakes in a heartbeat. I have camped on most of them at a time when I was not into sailing.
I could spend the rest of my life exploring the Great Lakes.
Yes, you are more fortunate than most.

Tony B
 
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Patrick , S/V Shangra-La

It's my security blanket.

Say what you will about guns, I've had a conceled permit for 10 years and have never had to touch my weapon except to put it on or take it off. I hope I never have to touch or use it, but it is a good feeling of security that it's there.

When out on the water the coasties, or the marine patrol are usually not close by, and you had better be able to "fend for your self". Never had to touch the weapons on the water, but again I'm sure glad it's there.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Patrick

Would you take your gun with you, say, to Mexico or some other foreign country where guns are not legal?
PS, In the US, I always keep a gun handy on my boat.

Tony B
 
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Patrick , S/V Shangra-La

There is no problem carrying to other countries

as long as you declair them at customs. Most countries will confescate the gun give you a reciept and give it back to you when you leave. Many will let you keep a shot gun on board. You better not get caught trying to sneak one in. They don't mess around like we do they will put you under the jail, and forget about you.
 
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CalebD

My apologies to everyone here

I realize that the post I made was insulting, narrow minded and off topic. I value the input I get from ALL of you and hope to continue doing so. There are too many of you to name. I violated one of my own rules by straying into a political rant which I will delete if anyone asks me to.
I must have been in a state that would make old Billy-Bob seem sober. What was I thinking? Self imposed probation begins now.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Caleb

As far as me personally, I dont see any need for apologies but I cant speak for others. I tried to get this to change direction when I saw it becoming political. It tends to really piss me off and I have no problem expressing it.
However, you have seen me on here often enough to know that I will really fight someone in one thread and at the same time agree with them and let them know, in another thread. I dont carry the fight into a different thread. It starts and end here. Kinda like 'whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
I have always respected you even though we dont always think alike and this thread wont change anything.

Tony B
 
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Dave D, '94 H26

geez caleb

what were we talkin' about? I can't even remember if I put on underware this morning! You rock!
 
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Rick Webb

The Problem With Leaving Weapons With the Customs Officer

You arrive in country "X" to port "A" leave your weapons you then travel south to ports "B", "C", etc now you have to back track north to port "A" to retrieve your weapon and then back track again south to go to country "Y", huge inconvenience to say the least.
 
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Ross

As I understand this problem of carrying firearms

in to foreign countries it is permitted until you land. After you have landed and been disarmed you may move freely about the country and recover your weapons when you leave the country. I think that this means that while on the high seas you are on your own but when you make land you come under the protection of the local sheriff. In that case, don't go anywhere that he doesn't patrol. If you plan to visit ports A, B & C and "A" is port of entry/departure then visit "A" first and travel to the farthest port and work your way back. Personally, there are many wonderful places in the world that are free of the sea going outlaws. I have been in the tropics and while they are inviting in some ways, so are the more northerly sailing grounds.
 
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JohnS

Sorry, can't let this one pass

I'm not a DC native, but I've resided inside the DC beltway all my life. I've visited all parts of the city at all hours. I still do regularly late at night (as a working musician). Hell, as a drunk teenager, I took a nap on the hood of my car at 2am on 14 St, NW. I've never been mugged, shot at, or otherwise threatened. And I've never felt a need to carry a gun.

If you're a drug dealer, then yeah, you should probably carry a gun in DC. Otherwise, just be aware of your surroundings and don't deal with lowlifes.
 
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Ross

Concerning the dangers of traveling in tropical regions

Tropical diseases may be more of a threat than pirates.
http://www.traveldoctor.co.uk/insects.htm

An Internet search seems to indicate that crime may be this least of the concerns that a traveler has when in southern waters. All those who advocate carrying weapons should also advocate a complete immunisation record for tropical diseases.
 
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