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[GeneraiT001]

Very nice looking boat. The launch charge is about what I would expect. The price the surveyor is giving you is low. I would have expected more around $1200. Possibly more.

There is no mention in the info about the age of the standing rigging. So unless there is documentation showing the standing rigging was replaced, you have 36 year old standing rigging. I would think about the cost of replacing all standing rigging. You also need to inspect your chain plates. If there are signs of corrosion on them - that's not a good thing. Replacing chain plates is expensive. Make sure your surveyor inspects them and writes it down in the survey report.

Are you going to be there during the survey? You should be. You need to make sure the surveyor checks everything that can be checked.

There are a lot of systems on the boat. They really all should be checked. It says the batteries were changed out in 2023. What kind of batteries does it have? AGM's? It doesn't mention a charger/inverter. Does the boat have 120V AC capability or is it a 12V DC system only? 120V AC is a nice to have really with cell phones, computers, more but it's not a necessity. But how the batteries can be charged you need to know. Might be solar panel and engine alternator only - kind of nice to have a shore power charging system. All the listing says is shore power yes. What's the capacity? House? Start battery? How's it wired? All questions you should get answered from your surveyor.

I didn't see anything in the listing about how old the sails are or how many. Just a photo showing a Genoa, stay sail and main sail. Is there anything more? How old are these sails? What kind of sail material?

Listing says boat is 1989 - I thought the Bayfield factory burned down in 1988. I could be wrong.

I can drive you crazy with questions. Sorry.

dj

Yes, not sure about the age of the standing rigging but I had a close look at it and it looked pristine, no rust and very smooth to the hand.

Yes, thanks about the chain plates. Will make sure he checks those out. I don't even know what a chain plate is....will investigate

Definitely be there for the survey. Knowledge is power

Yes, the batteries are AGM's (3 of them) they switch between starter and power for systems. Not 100% sure about the inverter. Not sure about the 120v either....there is a plug to plug in from outside the boat and there are outlets on the wall so I'm guessing those are 120v? There is one 100W solar panel...was planning on upgrading that right away Also thinking of adding a wind generator.

Appreciate all the interest and help

 

[BigEasy]

Nice lookin boat that appears to be well maintained. I agree that a sea trial should be conducted. Good luck, hope all works out.

 

[Davidasailor26]

I do recall the owner mentioning that t was VC17 (which I have no clue about). Our water is cold so I guess that is good? I think it all wore off and needs a new coat. He said it has the copper in it which is preferable to antifoul?? (Again, I haven't a clue what I am talking about).

VC17 is a type of very hard and slick antifouling with copper. Most antifouling has some amount of copper in it. What makes VC17 more unusual is its formulation that makes it so slick. It used to contain PTFE (aka Teflon), but I think it was reformulated away from that a year or two ago.
Though it can be an effective paint and is often used by racers one downside is that it’s not compatible with many other paints, so when you need to recoat you generally need to use more VC17 or strip it all of to start over.

 

[dlochner]

Good eye. I do recall the owner mentioning that t was VC17 (which I have no clue about). Our water is cold so I guess that is good? I think it all wore off and needs a new coat. He said it has the copper in it which is preferable to antifoul?? (Again, I haven't a clue what I am talking about).

If you have any plans to eventually travel south, do not put more VC17 on the boat. VC17 is not a traditional antifouling paint or paint in general. It is thin teflon like liquid with copper powder suspended in the liquid. It leaves a thin slick coating on the bottom that is easy to clean and maintain. It works well in fresh water or very cold waters such as those in NL. It is also a pain to remove. It must be sanded off which works in most areas, however, if there are areas where the copper has built up over the years, it does not come off easily. The copper burnishes in to a thin copper plate before the sand paper removes it. Slow and tedious.

 

[dLj]

If you have any plans to eventually travel south, do not put more VC17 on the boat. VC17 is not a traditional antifouling paint or paint in general. It is thin teflon like liquid with copper powder suspended in the liquid. It leaves a thin slick coating on the bottom that is easy to clean and maintain. It works well in fresh water or very cold waters such as those in NL. It is also a pain to remove. It must be sanded off which works in most areas, however, if there are areas where the copper has built up over the years, it does not come off easily. The copper burnishes in to a thin copper plate before the sand paper removes it. Slow and tedious.

Don't underestimate this one – The VC17 will foul really fast in southern warmer waters. Sanding it off is a real pain. I'd probably soda blast it off. That's not an inexpensive way to do it - but for sure if you count your time – sanding is much worse.

Yes, not sure about the age of the standing rigging but I had a close look at it and it looked pristine, no rust and very smooth to the hand.

You can't see inside the fittings. If your rigging is 30+ years old and you want to sail as far as you've indicated – change your standing rigging would be my advice before you go.

Yes, thanks about the chain plates. Will make sure he checks those out. I don't even know what a chain plate is....will investigate.

The chain plates are where your standing rigging attach to the boat. This boat will be very hard to inspect these. Pretty sure they are encapsulated and access from inside is close to non-existent. You need to look very carefully, and actually should pull the covers on the deck off and see if there is any corrosion present. You won't be able to do this in the survey you are about to do. But you need to look very carefully at each and every place each piece of your standing rigging attaches at the deck level. Forestay, (I don't think the stay sail has a chain plate – it attaches to your deck structure at the bow sprit IIRC) back stay, all your side stays.... Think about this as something you should do after you've sailed for a year and before you head off on your long trip...

Definitely be there for the survey. Knowledge is power

Excellent!

Yes, the batteries are AGM's (3 of them) they switch between starter and power for systems. Not 100% sure about the inverter. Not sure about the 120v either....there is a plug to plug in from outside the boat and there are outlets on the wall so I'm guessing those are 120v? There is one 100W solar panel...was planning on upgrading that right away Also thinking of adding a wind generator. Appreciate all the interest and help

Good to know what brand AGM's. The only AGM's I'm aware of that provide an equalization cycle are Lifeline AGM's. Those would be my preferred AGM.

Check the voltage on each battery when you get on the boat. Do you have a digital volt meter?

dj

 

[dLj]

Just saw this on another site - nice blurb on sea trials:

Sea Trials ,,, it ain't just a boat ride !

dj

 

[GeneraiT001]

Don't underestimate this one – The VC17 will foul really fast in southern warmer waters. Sanding it off is a real pain. I'd probably soda blast it off. That's not an inexpensive way to do it - but for sure if you count your time – sanding is much worse.



You can't see inside the fittings. If your rigging is 30+ years old and you want to sail as far as you've indicated – change your standing rigging would be my advice before you go.



The chain plates are where your standing rigging attach to the boat. This boat will be very hard to inspect these. Pretty sure they are encapsulated and access from inside is close to non-existent. You need to look very carefully, and actually should pull the covers on the deck off and see if there is any corrosion present. You won't be able to do this in the survey you are about to do. But you need to look very carefully at each and every place each piece of your standing rigging attaches at the deck level. Forestay, (I don't think the stay sail has a chain plate – it attaches to your deck structure at the bow sprit IIRC) back stay, all your side stays.... Think about this as something you should do after you've sailed for a year and before you head off on your long trip...



Excellent!



Good to know what brand AGM's. The only AGM's I'm aware of that provide an equalization cycle are Lifeline AGM's. Those would be my preferred AGM.

Check the voltage on each battery when you get on the boat. Do you have a digital volt meter?

dj

Thanks for all the good advice and info. Yes, I have a volt meter/multimeter (fluke).

 

[Joe]

Lots of questions.... You state it's your first boat. So your boating experience is limited.

This boat should be a double head sail sloop (cutter rig it's commonly called). Put up and operate every sail the boat has. Does it have roller furling or hank on sails? What sails does it come with?
dj

A picture of the gentleman's new yacht is on display with every post....

 

[Tally Ho]

Hi (HaHa)...should be mandatory on all boats

Good eye. I do recall the owner mentioning that t was VC17 (which I have no clue about). Our water is cold so I guess that is good? I think it all wore off and needs a new coat. He said it has the copper in it which is preferable to antifoul?? (Again, I haven't a clue what I am talking about).

VC 17 is generally a fresh water anti-fouling paint, I use it on my boat in Lake Michigan. It goes on very thin and is pretty slippery. So it needs to be sanded off if you were going to put something else on the boat. As Dave said, it is ok in cold water, but probably won’t do well in the Caribbean.

Your boat looks like it was been well-cared for (at least in the glamor shots). But you should get a full survey…important structural items like chain plates, deck integrity, mast step condition, etc. should be a priority. And make a list of question…. Like how old is the rigging? How old are the sails, do all of the instruments work? Does the winless work? How old are the batteries?

Her fairly full keel with make her track well, but will make turning her in a marina a bit harder (but you can do it with practice!)

She is a very pretty boat. Lots of character and very salty.

Cheers,

Greg

 

[GeneraiT001]

VC 17 is generally a fresh water anti-fouling paint, I use it on my boat in Lake Michigan. It goes on very thin and is pretty slippery. So it needs to be sanded off if you were going to put something else on the boat. As Dave said, it is ok in cold water, but probably won’t do well in the Caribbean.

Your boat looks like it was been well-cared for (at least in the glamor shots). But you should get a full survey…important structural items like chain plates, deck integrity, mast step condition, etc. should be a priority. And make a list of question…. Like how old is the rigging? How old are the sails, do all of the instruments work? Does the winless work? How old are the batteries?

Her fairly full keel with make her track well, but will make turning her in a marina a bit harder (but you can do it with practice!)

She is a very pretty boat. Lots of character and very salty.

Cheers,

Greg

Thank you Greg

 

[rgranger]