Old Barient winches binding

Feb 3, 2022
2
C&C 27 mk4 Mandarin Fl
Hi folks,
I recently purchased two used two-speed self-tailing barient 19 winches. When I snug down the top nut the line lifter binds on the heads of the shoulder screws that are below it. If I only hand tighten the nut it binds less but the winch comes apart while in use. I got a feeling I got taken and the guy who sold them to me put them together with some scavenged parts that might not be correct. Any opinions on this? Anyone have this issue with a winch? Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,456
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Can you take some photos?

Hard to tell from the description.

I have some Barlows on my Oday 322 that I think are similar to the Barients.

Maybe take some photos assembled, and with the cap off, and maybe with the stripper ring removed.

I generally don’t tighten mine too tight…about what I can get with my fingers.

Greg
 

PaulK

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Dec 1, 2009
1,353
Sabre 402 Southport, CT
jssailem may be right. We had Barients on our last boat and it was easy to put them back together so nothing worked. Directions are wonderful things.
 
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May 29, 2018
560
Canel 25 foot Shiogama, japan
Re: When I snug down the top nut the line lifter binds on the heads of the shoulder screws that are below it.

I can see the shoulder screws in Jsailem's manual, but no "top nut. "
It looks like the winch is held (down and) together with the "retaining ring".
Is that the correct manual?

gary
 
Feb 3, 2022
2
C&C 27 mk4 Mandarin Fl
I have that parts blow-up too and my winches have a top nut with two holes for a spanner wrench...and I haven't found a diagram for my exact winch.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Perhaps this description helps.

Servicing Your Winch


In response to the huge number of inquiries regarding SERVICE INFORMATION'S for Barient and Barlow winches, we are publishing the following to assist owners of those winches to keep their investments in working order.
It is assumed here that the person undertaking the winch service will be able to dismantle and assemble the winch.

SPECIAL DISMANTLING TOOLS:
Most BARLOW winches and some BARIENT winches manufactured from 1983 onward are held together by a RETAINING NUT. This is a 2-1/2" [63.5mm] outside diameter metal disk surrounding the top end of the main shaft of the winches. Typically, this Retaining Nut is engraved with Barlow or Barient and the model number of the winch. There are also 2 x 3/16" [5mm] diameter holes, 180 degrees opposed, in the top surface of the Retaining Nut. The winches were originally shipped with a dismantling tool, which was nothing more then a bend piece of wire that was hooked into the 2 holes to unscrew the Retaining Nut.

If this tool is lost - try the following method:

  1. Insert a 3/16" screw or a small screwdriver or similar, into one of the two holes.
  2. Insert your winch handle into the Main shaft of the winch and turn the handle against the screw, in a CCW direction, to unscrew the Retaining Nut.
  3. Turn the winch handle in a CW direction to tighten the Retaining Nut.
Most smaller BARLOW Standard winches and some BARIENT Standard winches require a screw to be removed from inside the main shaft in order to dismantle the winch. Those winches were originally supplied with a small plastic part that looked like a handle with a 5/16" [8mm] diameter hole through the centre of the star, through which you was able to insert an Allen key to unscrew the fastener, while at the same time stopping the main shaft from rotating.
If the original dismantling handle is lost, make your own by drilling a hole through one of your non lock-in winch handles.
You could also use a piece of 5/8" to 11/16" square material (plastic, wood, steel - anything) through which you can drill a hole in it, hold it with a shifting spanner, and unscrew the bolt inside the main shaft of your winch.

The following Service Information is of a general nature and applies equally to all ARCO, BARIENT & BARLOW winches.

1) Dismantling the winch
Almost all models can be fully serviced without removing the winch from the deck. Be sure to pay special attention to the following:

  • Lay-out the parts or remember the various parts in order of disassembly
  • When removing the drum, the bearings may stay inside the drum and fall out when you least expect it and roll off the deck. Consequently there are any amount of bearings at the bottom of the oceans.
  • Ratchet Pawl Springs are also easily lost. A part costing a few cents could render your winch unserviceable. It is advisable to keep a supply of Ratchet Pawl Springs in you tool box. If you do not have any spare Springs, it would be good sense to order some before starting to service your winches.
  • Wash all parts in a petroleum solvent (kerosene, paraffin etc) and let dry or wipe dry with a lint free cloth.
  • Visually inspect all parts for damage or obvious wear, i.e. extremely worn, bend or broken gear teeth, ratchet pawls that appear to be very loose in - or fall out off - their sockets and check for parts that have excessive clearance on bearings and shafts. As with most things mechanical, early attention to a potential problem may save money or prevent an injury down the line.
2) Lubricating the Winch
  • Sparingly lubricate all mating parts and bearing surfaces with a waterproof grease, such as lubricants that are being used for machinery in the food industry. In an emergency, Petroleum Jelly is an acceptable alternative. Avoid greases with added 'Teflon'.
  • Lubricate the Ratchet Pawls and Springs with light machine oil. Avoid large amounts of grease in the Ratchet Pawl areas - the grease might become somewhat 'sticky' over a period of time and prevent the pawls from operating freely.
3) Assembling the Winch
  1. Repeatedly 'flick' the Ratchet Pawls to ensure uninhibited operation
  2. Ensure that the Ratchet Pawls engage squarely in the mating ratchet teeth - some ratchet gears can be assembled the wrong way and that will result in the winch slipping back when under load.
  3. Assemble the rest of the components in the reverse order of disassembly.
  4. Check the operation of the winch, if possible before that important race.
GOOD SAILING :)
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,456
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I refurbished these old Barlow 27’s.

Do your look like this?



My Barlow 19’s were single speed….i can’t find photos or a video of those.

Greg