Novice needing knowledge

[jssailem]

I once saw a boat named: Capital Punishment, and that is what it is

KG... you are a trooper.
Wasp77 made no comment about my suggestion that he check out the site of cruisers and liveaboards. Maybe because he asked a similar question there.

Wasp77
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Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 4

Why not a motor yacht?
I admit that I am very green when it comes to boating in anything over a 20' fishing boat. I've been looking around a lot, though, for the better part of a decade. The only thing that has stopped me from acting on it is my now-ex, which happens to be one small reason for her being my ex, but that's another story for no time.
Now that I'm single, my kids are grown, and I managed to get myself out of the debt that she caused, I have been diligently working toward my goal of living aboard a motor yacht. I've done lots of research. So much, in fact, that I have learned that I need to do a lot of research.
On the same token, my life's experience has been such that if you think long, you think wrong. There's as much benefit to jumping in than there is to planning things out, so I'm doing about an even mix of both.
One thing that I've noticed is that there seems to be a shortage of people living aboard motor yachts, yet a plethora of sailboats. Every time I ask for advice, or for someone to hit me with a bit of knowledge I get advice and/or knowledge of sailboats, even when I specify that I'm asking about motor yachts. I may not be the brightest crayon in the tool shed, but I know that I don't have to worry about the sail rigging on a boat that doesn't use sails.
But, why are there so many more sailboaters? Or, is it that there aren't necessarily more sailboaters, just fewer motor yacht owners that speak to people with a bank account under $10M?​

After they gave him 6 pages of responses he never commented back. So he uses the "verbal attack" challenge technique. @Will Gilmore and @Jackdaw made great observations.

Too much to list exhaustively--

I think you nailed it. Why should we do all this work for someone who believes... "It's not that I'm a d!ck, I'm just jaded."

 

[capta]

[QUOTE="jssailem, post:

Why not a motor yacht?
I think you nailed it. Why should we do all this work for someone who believes... "It's not that I'm a d!ck, I'm just jaded."[/QUOTE]
Very, very interesting. Especially for someone proposing to cross the Atlantic TWICE to go from Miami to Brazil! Talk about a bank account of a million plus. A trip like that on a motor yacht could support a small oil company for quite a few years. Last I checked diesel in Bermuda was over us$8.00 a gallon and it can't be any cheaper on the other islands on his itinerary.
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[Wasp77]

After they gave him 6 pages of responses he never commented back.

I didn't answer back because I had forgotten about it. things like this tend to cloud less important things.

 

[dlochner]

I didn't answer back because I had forgotten about it. things like this tend to cloud less important things.

The forums are full of folks who sign up, ask a question and then never return to acknowledge the answers that they received. Or they come back, see answers they don't like, and don't respond.

Folks on the forums will put some time and effort answering questions and are always ready to help new sailors, however, it leaves a bad taste when the original poster (OP) does not at least acknowledge the efforts folks have made to be helpful. Decreases the likelihood that future questions will be answered.

And, at least on this forum, if a poster gets really pissy they sometimes get a short vacation to rethink their thoughts.

 

[justsomeguy]

things like this tend to cloud less important things.

Is that from some bridge you had burned?

 

[Wasp77]

I have tried to not only acknowledge those that have helped, but to thank them as well. Jssailem mentioned that I hadn't been on that other forum since February, that is because my house burned down on Valentine's day and things got a bit, shall we say "busy". It's not that I ignored anyone, or didn't like the help that I've been receiving. I greatly appreciate all the help that I've gotten. I just don't understand it when people answer a question that wasn't asked. I also don't understand how people think that I'm unappreciative when I have thanked others multiple times when they are actually helping.
This happens a LOT! People don't seem to understand how to answer a simple question and then I get attacked for not accepting an answer to an unasked question. Then I feel the need to explain myself, when I've done nothing but ask a question that isn't answered. When I do that, I'm "trolling", apparently. So, I'm going to just close this post so that no one else gets offended by a simple question. Thank you to everyone that has helped me.

 

[justsomeguy]

...my house burned down on Valentine's day...

I'm sorry to hear that.
To your problem with "unasked questions", well, this is the internet, and one cannot control every aspect of a thread, much less the participants therein.

 

[dlochner]

I have tried to not only acknowledge those that have helped, but to thank them as well. Jssailem mentioned that I hadn't been on that other forum since February, that is because my house burned down on Valentine's day and things got a bit, shall we say "busy". It's not that I ignored anyone, or didn't like the help that I've been receiving. I greatly appreciate all the help that I've gotten. I just don't understand it when people answer a question that wasn't asked. I also don't understand how people think that I'm unappreciative when I have thanked others multiple times when they are actually helping.
This happens a LOT! People don't seem to understand how to answer a simple question and then I get attacked for not accepting an answer to an unasked question. Then I feel the need to explain myself, when I've done nothing but ask a question that isn't answered. When I do that, I'm "trolling", apparently. So, I'm going to just close this post so that no one else gets offended by a simple question. Thank you to everyone that has helped me.

As your story has unfolded, it has become clear that this past year has not been a stellar year for you, to say the least. Many of us have had those kinds of years. Not to make light of your troubles, but stealing a line from a former president, "we feel your pain."

When I was in graduate school, my professors talked about asking good questions. The key to any research project was to ask a good question. Some questions have too many variables, some are too specific, some are good questions but unanswerable in any meaningful way.

The essence of your question is about making a significant life style change and there will be many small and large questions to be asked and answered. Sometimes the answers can be specific and pretty universal. This current thread is a pretty good example of that https://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/longer-lengths-of-anchor-lead-chain.192803/. He didn't get the answer he wanted, but he got, IMHO, the answer he needed.

When a question is asked and the answer is either not clear or not really answering the question, there are 2 options, rephrase or rethink the question or complain that folks aren't answering the question. While no one has really answered the question you asked there have been many helpful suggestions about finding the answer. IMHO, the original question was not a good question because it was unanswerable in any meaningful way.

So, go back to the drawing board. Ask some new questions (there are plenty of clues in this thread about what to ask) and ask those questions. If the answers you get are not clear or you do not understand the answers, then clarify the question and ask again. And re-read your responses before posting them, think about how you would respond to a post like that if it was directed towards you.

Good luck and I hope life gets better for you.

 

[jssailem]

@dlochner , Dave did a great job of challenging the question to help give you (@Wasp77 ) an idea that might get you better answers.

I note that I was early to respond. And yes I did not give you answers because I did not meet your qualifications as specified in your query. Having been a contributor here for a couple of years with a little bit of understanding about the other members here and having great respect for their skills and willingness to help all visitors, The best answer was to point you in a direction that has more of the specific individuals that meet your stated criteria.

The first of MANY questions is for everyone that lives on their boat (preferably 40' - 55') year round.

Those are the folk at Cruisers Forum​

That you have had a difficult year makes me feel empathetic for your plight. But it is not an excuse for what I felt was a “RUDE” way of stating your question.

Forgive me if I seem rude or too direct, please understand that I'm used to dealing with idiots.

So I refrained from further comment. Not wishing to see you “Spit Fire”

I am open to suggestions by experienced sailors, but will spit fire to anyone telling me that I can't do something because they don't have the gall to do what I'm planning on doing

There is always more to the story. Being a contributor to the Cruiser Forum, I did look to see if you had at the least explored the issue there. Finding that you had queried the same stuff only as a Motor Yacht seaker I found strange.

I guess your “jaded, dick” comment triggered the decision to list your adventures on the Cruiser Forum. How the fellow sailors deal with that information their business, and how you explain it is your business.

I wish you success in your stated adventure. My rant is closed.

 

[pateco]

While some of us have a budget that we may try to keep, I suspect most of us don't keep track of our expenses to the level of specificity that you are asking.

Or we spend so much effort trying to obfuscate those expenses from the Admiral, that we believe our own fibs. LOL

 

[dlochner]

Or we spend so much effort trying to obfuscate those expenses from the Admiral, that we believe our own fibs. LOL

Shhhh...... don't let the secrets out, he says as he shops online at Hamilton Marine.