News flash: cool fast boats sell.
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The way to bring those costs $/day down is to sail more. Divide by our 160 days sailing this year and its like being paid to go!
Watch the prices of 40 to 50' catamarans. It's gonna go waaaaay up. Why? 'Cause 90% of the charter market is sitting on the bottom.
Saw this in my Google headlines. Interesting take on the Annapolis show
Phil Burgess: Aging boomers may have new ways to keep on sailing
http://www.capitalgazette.com/lifestyle/health/ac-cm-burgess-20171015-story.html
There are two kinds of people in the world. The haves and the have yachts.
Phil Burgess: Aging boomers may have new ways to keep on sailing
http://www.capitalgazette.com/lifestyle/health/ac-cm-burgess-20171015-story.html
There are two kinds of people in the world. The haves and the have yachts.
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As someone who is well into the demographic group that Ventura Boats is targeting, I'm not impressed.
Do we really need a 23' Mac 26?
Don't say Senior Citizen around me unless the next word is Discount!
Do we really need a 23' Mac 26?
Don't say Senior Citizen around me unless the next word is Discount!
Another Mac 26x, great..... Or I guess a 23x then.....Saw this in my Google headlines. Interesting take on the Annapolis show
Phil Burgess: Aging boomers may have new ways to keep on sailing
http://www.capitalgazette.com/lifestyle/health/ac-cm-burgess-20171015-story.html
There are two kinds of people in the world. The haves and the have yachts.
Great read but, those boats are..... well I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.
Interesting read, thanks for sharing that!
Fascinating to hear he bought WWP, and that CBS basically bought a boat a month for the Price is Right. Nice way to help keep the pump primed.
As for the Ventura 23, I'm willing to keep an open mind. The real trick is what kind of market research he did, and why he think he can succeed when the Tattoo 23 (basically the exact same boat) could not get out of the prototype phase. I'm sure the Tattoo dealers told Tattoo that they would not buy one to stock and didn't have an order.
I assume he is EXACTLY in the same place now as they were when they folded up shop; waiting (praying?) for firm orders to show up before they commit to a build. His web site actually mentions that will keep deposits in secure escrow. Big companies do lots of market research and private prototyping before making a public announcement. Smaller companies do it this way.
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Interesting thought. I feel the same way. But at the the same time I recognize that I'm still in very active and in good shape; still play ice hockey and ski competitively, in addition to the sailboat racing. So I suppose not everyone my age shares my level of fitness, and I know lots of guys my age that can't/won't jump 2 feet from the boat to the dock anymore. They would 10 years ago. But time matches on, and we can't stay young forever.
But I happily note the Jean-Marie Finot (Pogo designer) owns a Pogo 10.50 and is sailing it in his 80s. #LifeGoal
Top tier racing is definitely for the fit. I watched an episode one time where James May of Top Gear rode on the Oracle racing boat in a contest against land based Jeremy Clarkson. James was completely worn out by the voyage and he was basically ballast.
http://topgear.wikia.com/wiki/New_Zealand_Race
http://topgear.wikia.com/wiki/New_Zealand_Race
The thinking is the AC50 cats went too far.
Andy Claughton (BAR lead designer) has gone as far to label them 'slave ships' due to the amount of simple horsepower that needed to be generated by dedicated crew just to power the wings. Not sailing. Human powerplants.
The next generation of the DoG promises to move back a step to 'athletic sailing', and I think for the better.
Speaking of who builders can sell to, really its two camps:
Entice a current boat owner to buy a new boat
Entice someone new to the sport to buy a new boat
In the 70's a HUGE percentage of new boats when to first time buyers. With no 'help' from the builders. Now you can see the efforts the builders are making to simply boats for first-time buyers. Push button sail furling. Dock-and-go anyone?? Anyone want to venture a guess of what the split for new-boat sales was in 1973, and then in 2016? I don't know the answers, but would be interested in knowing what people think.
Entice a current boat owner to buy a new boat
Entice someone new to the sport to buy a new boat
In the 70's a HUGE percentage of new boats when to first time buyers. With no 'help' from the builders. Now you can see the efforts the builders are making to simply boats for first-time buyers. Push button sail furling. Dock-and-go anyone?? Anyone want to venture a guess of what the split for new-boat sales was in 1973, and then in 2016? I don't know the answers, but would be interested in knowing what people think.
There are now probably a half dozen or more European builders (mostly French) producing 'fast cruisers' in the 28 to 50 foot range. As you might expect, some of them are getting innovative with features to separate themselves from the crowd. Like a full dinghy garage in a 32 footer? Malango 999. The huge beam still allows for two aft cabins! Also note the built-in beaching legs to save strain on the rudders.
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