NO, those are entirely different boats, which is why there are plenty available. Those boats both have fixed keels. They can only be trailer launched at a very limited number of ramps, with a bunch of playing around. J24 the same thing. As soon as you go to a swing or drop keel, the boats get hard to find and sell quick. The price jumps up a few thousand as well.
OK, I misread the Sailboatdata.com info and thought the Holder 20 was a keel boat, when it appears to be a lifting keel.
According to Sailboatdata.com only 265 of these boats were built. That suggests the design had limited appeal or the builders weren't very good at marketing or both. If the number of similar boats is also small, it again points to the small number of folks interested in these kinds of boats. That is sort of the point lots of people on this thread have been making. Yeah, there are cool boats that can sail well, however, for whatever reason, cost, aesthetics, availability, and so forth, not many are being made and sold in the US. That is neither right nor wrong, it is simply what the market in the US is.
Jack made a valiant attempt to stimulate interest in the Pogo and boats of similar design, but it didn't gain much traction for lots of reasons, prominent among them is few of us on SBO can afford to throw a third of a million dollars at a boat when one costing 10% of that serves our needs. It may also be the case that folks who have the money and resources to consider a new boat with a new design aren't on SBO, they're too busy making megabucks. If Jack can find the forum they're on perhaps he can get them interested in developing the market for these planing Euro style boats. If and when that happens, US builders will respond.
At this point after 360 posts I think we're
