west marine has some nice ones but they are anything but reasonable what is the diff in characteristics between 1-19 and 7-19 wire rope??? im not finding 1-19 anywhere does it make a diff as long as the strength is there???
need a reasonable source for stay fittings
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Talk to a rigger
If you are talking about standing rigging, it doesn't mater if West Marine was giving the parts away or charging thousands. You can't build the rigging using swage fittings anyway. If you are looking at Sta-Lok or Norseman fittings, yes they are about 4X more expensive than swage fittings. If you don't know the difference between 7x19 and 1x19 you shouldn't be considering working on the rigging at all. Do yourself a favor and take your rigging to a rigger. They will have the proper fittings and tools to build new rigging for you. The tool to swage a $10 fitting on to 1x19 wire is about $15,000, people that make that sort of investment tend to know what they are doing.
If you are talking about standing rigging, it doesn't mater if West Marine was giving the parts away or charging thousands. You can't build the rigging using swage fittings anyway. If you are looking at Sta-Lok or Norseman fittings, yes they are about 4X more expensive than swage fittings. If you don't know the difference between 7x19 and 1x19 you shouldn't be considering working on the rigging at all. Do yourself a favor and take your rigging to a rigger. They will have the proper fittings and tools to build new rigging for you. The tool to swage a $10 fitting on to 1x19 wire is about $15,000, people that make that sort of investment tend to know what they are doing.
Rigging
Sand Sailer- Last week, I was at Strictly Sail in Chicago and I attended a seminar on "Inspecting and Maintaining you Rigging" by Dan Knight of Crowley's in Chicago. Wow, did I learn a ton. I would recommend to all. The most impressive exibit was a dissected swage. It was hard to tell the difference between the wire and fitting. I know there are books out there for us to understand our rigs. I think we take it for granted that the stick just stays up. This is not a DIY project, period! If you have rigging needs, seek a pro out. I don't think you will hear a single bad word about West Marine Rigging. Rob Hessenius
Sand Sailer- Last week, I was at Strictly Sail in Chicago and I attended a seminar on "Inspecting and Maintaining you Rigging" by Dan Knight of Crowley's in Chicago. Wow, did I learn a ton. I would recommend to all. The most impressive exibit was a dissected swage. It was hard to tell the difference between the wire and fitting. I know there are books out there for us to understand our rigs. I think we take it for granted that the stick just stays up. This is not a DIY project, period! If you have rigging needs, seek a pro out. I don't think you will hear a single bad word about West Marine Rigging. Rob Hessenius
Try these guys
Sand Sailor - check out Rigging Only. They have a comprehensive catalog with lots of info and great prices. I had sent up a whole bunch of rigging to have new pieces created. They were extremely fast, courteous, and knowledgeable (not to mention reasonable). Looks like they have a downloadable version of the catalog on their site. Manny
Sand Sailor - check out Rigging Only. They have a comprehensive catalog with lots of info and great prices. I had sent up a whole bunch of rigging to have new pieces created. They were extremely fast, courteous, and knowledgeable (not to mention reasonable). Looks like they have a downloadable version of the catalog on their site. Manny
Rig-rite, Seco South or Ballenger
Try Rig-Rite in Rhode Island or Seco South. http://www.secosouth.com/ http://rigrite.com/ http://www.ballengerspars.com/ How are you going to swedge the fitting?
Try Rig-Rite in Rhode Island or Seco South. http://www.secosouth.com/ http://rigrite.com/ http://www.ballengerspars.com/ How are you going to swedge the fitting?
The difference is
The difference between 1X19 and 7X19 is simple. 1X19 is a wire made from 19 strands and 7X19 is a wire made from 7 wires each made from 19 strands. To have the same strength as 1X19 the 7X19 needs to be greater in diameter. How large is your boat before I say it does or doesn’t make a difference which you use. The Buccaneer is right and do it yourself swaging is out of the question. A small swager like the M1 will cost around five or six thousand and my hydraulic machine did cost over 10,000. Rigging Only has been mentioned and they are a good source for either finished shrouds or just the parts if you want to DIY using swageless fittings. If your boat is small you can also use nicopress just don’t tell any riggers that I said that. A real nicopress tool is just in the hundreds instead of thousands. Don’t use the toys (squeeze with bolts) you commonly see in the hands of boat owners. Some small boats come with rigging made using nicopress. Good luck and all the best, Robert Gainer
The difference between 1X19 and 7X19 is simple. 1X19 is a wire made from 19 strands and 7X19 is a wire made from 7 wires each made from 19 strands. To have the same strength as 1X19 the 7X19 needs to be greater in diameter. How large is your boat before I say it does or doesn’t make a difference which you use. The Buccaneer is right and do it yourself swaging is out of the question. A small swager like the M1 will cost around five or six thousand and my hydraulic machine did cost over 10,000. Rigging Only has been mentioned and they are a good source for either finished shrouds or just the parts if you want to DIY using swageless fittings. If your boat is small you can also use nicopress just don’t tell any riggers that I said that. A real nicopress tool is just in the hundreds instead of thousands. Don’t use the toys (squeeze with bolts) you commonly see in the hands of boat owners. Some small boats come with rigging made using nicopress. Good luck and all the best, Robert Gainer
OK let me clear this up
what are the different characteristics between the 1/19 and 7/19 of the same size and i wasnt looking for swage,i was looking at hi-mod type fittings
what are the different characteristics between the 1/19 and 7/19 of the same size and i wasnt looking for swage,i was looking at hi-mod type fittings
Hi-Mod
AFAIK Hi-Mod Marine Compression Fittings are not available for 7x19 wire. 1x19, Dyform, and 7x7 are your options. H-Mod fittings are about the same price as Sta-Lok and Norseman and about 4X more expensive that swage fittings. For rigging wire you want to limit the stretch under tension as well as having the strength you need. Even if you could find 7x19 wire that has the same breaking strength as the 1x19 that you are replacing, it would not have the same stretch characteristics. As much as I like the Hi-Mod fittings, I think they are too expensive for small boats (wire under about 5/16" diameter). If you price out the rigging with swage fittings and with Hi-Mod fittings, you will find out that the break even point on cost id about the 3rd or 4th rig replacement. For a world cruiser that see's 40,000 miles in 3 years and replaces the wire, it makes sense over 10-12 years. For boats that change the wire out on a 10-15 year schedule, you are looking at owning the boat for 30-45 years to break even on the cost.
AFAIK Hi-Mod Marine Compression Fittings are not available for 7x19 wire. 1x19, Dyform, and 7x7 are your options. H-Mod fittings are about the same price as Sta-Lok and Norseman and about 4X more expensive that swage fittings. For rigging wire you want to limit the stretch under tension as well as having the strength you need. Even if you could find 7x19 wire that has the same breaking strength as the 1x19 that you are replacing, it would not have the same stretch characteristics. As much as I like the Hi-Mod fittings, I think they are too expensive for small boats (wire under about 5/16" diameter). If you price out the rigging with swage fittings and with Hi-Mod fittings, you will find out that the break even point on cost id about the 3rd or 4th rig replacement. For a world cruiser that see's 40,000 miles in 3 years and replaces the wire, it makes sense over 10-12 years. For boats that change the wire out on a 10-15 year schedule, you are looking at owning the boat for 30-45 years to break even on the cost.
Rigging Only
Someone else mentioned them but when I replaced all my standing rigging last year, I was dealing with Rigging Only and they were really good. They provided excellent advice, and shipped promptly. When I took all of my parts etc, down to the boat, I found that they had inadvertently shipped one of the sta-lok fittings in the wrong size of wire. Not good when my boat is sitting in the yard. One call and they shipped the replacement fitting to me, at thier cost, I got it the next day and was able to finish the job and get the boat back in the water with no delay. I give them 5 Stars for knowledge and service. Rick A http://www.riggingonly.com/
Someone else mentioned them but when I replaced all my standing rigging last year, I was dealing with Rigging Only and they were really good. They provided excellent advice, and shipped promptly. When I took all of my parts etc, down to the boat, I found that they had inadvertently shipped one of the sta-lok fittings in the wrong size of wire. Not good when my boat is sitting in the yard. One call and they shipped the replacement fitting to me, at thier cost, I got it the next day and was able to finish the job and get the boat back in the water with no delay. I give them 5 Stars for knowledge and service. Rick A http://www.riggingonly.com/
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