If homebuilt boats were built after the year in which HINs were required, then the homemade boat must have a HIN. Each state has its own identifier.
Name this Sailboat!
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Is it homemade? I thought it was a Miller. It also looks like it was made in Canada so maybe the laws and timeline of the laws is a little different. From what I found on a few other threads, the Miller was built like a tank. So maybe not such a bad "free" boat after all. Pressure wash, paint, gut and refinish and you got a gem.... maybe????
Here is a link to a pdf data sheet that contains "critical measurements" for the purposes of ID and ratings of sailboats. The Miller 29 is on here https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1aaM84G7XxvruziOkRolAc
-Will (Dragonfly)
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home built as unfinished interior? Strange thing about the VIN, got a notice from WA state about three years ago saying the VIN was invalid. I was instructed to grind off original and etch or carve in a new issued by the State. after much research this was valid. i do not recall the first letters but will look them up tonight
the sticker "WN 7609 ND" states it is a CAL29/SL? Does that mean anything to anybody? And who makes homemade boats from Fiberglass molds?
The hull and deck were made at the factory. They were then shipped to a person's home or marina when the new owner finished the interior, added the rigging, added all the fittings, installed the engine, water, electrical, plumbing etc. Basically an empty hull. This was during the fiberglass sail boat craze of the 70s and early 80s.
The Canadian Endurance class boats were made and sold that way as well; at least some of them. These are called “kit” boats.
Well, of the larger SoCal manufacturers, the only one I recall that sold bare hulls for a while was Islander. I was around when Cal was being made. I suspect this is one of one or several factory modified Cals for the Ton rule. There are a lot of very limited Ericsons, Cals and Columbias made for one or another race rule. Just my thought.
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ok, my original and new vin# start with MM Miller Marine. not sure why yours would have the home built designation.
yes i agree with the above post, very much built like a tank. we have had some issues with the balsa core but who hasn't with a 40+ boat
yes i agree with the above post, very much built like a tank. we have had some issues with the balsa core but who hasn't with a 40+ boat
interesting, the one in the video has double spreader, mine is a single. all were different. we had some sails made once, the sailmaker said he measured the boat. the sails were the same dimensions as the iboats link above. they didn't fit at all
The HIN requirement went into effect on 01NOV72, so any production (or for that matter, "Homemade") boat would not have an original HIN if built prior to that date. Around 1989 or so, many states adopted their own HIN requirements for any boat sold or transferred after a certain date. The State-Issued HINs all started with the 2-letter State Registration abbreviation with the 3rd letter being a "Z", so Massachusetts HINs begin with "MSZ", Rhode Island "RIZ", Washington "WNZ", etc. These HINs were issued to new Home-built boats and also to any boat built before the USCG (National) HIN requirement (1972). If a 1971 built boat has been resold or titled after a certain date (I know it was around 1989 here in Mass) the State would have issued a State-Issued HIN to that boat. So, it is quite common for a production/factory-built boat that was delivered prior to 1972, to now have a State HIN, this does not mean the boat was home built, but only that the boat did not have an original Factory-issued HIN, or that the Factory-issued HIN did not meet the State requirements. (I can't see why any truly Factory-issued and recorded 12-digit HIN would not pass muster, but I have actually heard of boatowners needing to apply for State HINs despite the boat having a prior HIN). I think most Factory built boats (hull and deck) that were finished off by owners ("Kit" boats) would have had a factory HIN assigned if sold after November 1, 1972, but some boat hulls/decks are molded by one company and finished off at another company (custom or limited production models), on these, the company that finished off the boat will usually be the one to assign the HIN with their MIC (Manufacturers ID Code, the first 3 digits of the HIN). So, anyway, a State-Issued HIN does not in itself indicate that the boat was ever titled as "Home Made", but only that the boat may have been built prior to the 1972 HIN requirement. Obviously, just about all Home-Made boats will have State-Issued HINs, but the presence of an "WNZ" HIN does not always indicate Home Made. Some State do however ,list the builder as "Home Made" if the owner doesn't know the builder.
OH, I knew there was another thing that I wanted to mention! Using he sail insignia to ID the boat does have one caveat! Some boats use sails that have been repurposed from another different boat, so double-check before assuming that the sails always indicate the builder/model. On most production boats, the sail insignia will be accurate, but just be aware that used boats sometimes sport used sails made for a different design.
OH, I knew there was another thing that I wanted to mention! Using he sail insignia to ID the boat does have one caveat! Some boats use sails that have been repurposed from another different boat, so double-check before assuming that the sails always indicate the builder/model. On most production boats, the sail insignia will be accurate, but just be aware that used boats sometimes sport used sails made for a different design.
Dang! Wow! That’s it! You guys rock! If you wouldn’t mind sending me info and specifications, that would be great! Thanks for the help everybody!
Chip, where is your HIN located?
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That sure is it. I’m really glad to know what it is now. Thanks for the help everybody
UnknownFlotsam had me piqued
I had to distinguish between flotsam and jetsam. More than you need to know, from NOAA -
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/flotsam-jetsam.html
I had to distinguish between flotsam and jetsam. More than you need to know, from NOAA -
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/flotsam-jetsam.html
I'm also hoping that someone will chime in with more details on that sort of system.
I think that somebody said that they are for some sort of MOB gear. I assume that they shoot a lifeline back or something like that. I'm just guessing.
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The images do not provide much information as to the purpose. There are structure where floats with line are stored. It would be very difficult to have something located on the transom and to pull it out to throw it to a MOB. The concept of “shooting it out” has a lot of problems.
The MOB poles are inserted into the holes with the bottom at the aft end. A floatation device, like a horseshoe collar is attached to the pole. When someone goes for a swim, the horseshoe is tossed over board towards the swimmer, it pulls the pole out of the tube.