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Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
Gregg, durn if I wouldn't make one. If you knew one of these old time wood guys, with a wood turning lathe, I'd turn it out of oak. All this junk about hard woods not holding up, well........whatever. A weekend boat. On the interior? I could seal up cardboard with the right stuff. You pick the "stuff", there's many of them. And the structural integrity of hardwoods is unquestionable.
I've even looked at stair rail/banister posts with that thought on my mind. I don't know..
 
Mar 8, 2012
446
Catalina 22 trailer sailor
I agree Chris, the owner of the Catalina 22 named Dephinus has done extensive upgrades and repairs in oak and from the pics I've seen at his site, it all looks good, sturdy and lasting, agreed it's not teak but it's strong and sturdy.

I once knew a master craftsman carpenter that had a lathe and was very good at it, he lived to a ripe old age of 89 and was still kicking high when he died. He was a well respected and very much loved individual and made quite a mark on me, just wish some of his talent had rubbed off on me but it didn't :(.
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GDTRFB

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Aug 14, 2011
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Catalina C22 Kenmore, WA
I was in Home Depot yesterday and saw solid oak banister posts for $41. It looked to me that you could simply cut off part of the top and bottom of that post and it would serve the same purpose. I thought of this also. Almost seems too simple!
 
Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
I see no reason in the world why it would not work.
The only dissension you will get is from the purists..
 
Sep 2, 2011
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Hunter 27 Cherubini Alum Creek State Park
I couldn't find one advertised anywhere, but I'd bet Catalina Yachts would have them.
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
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Catalina 22 Ohio
I see no reason in the world why it would not work.
The only dissension you will get is from the purists..
The reason that they'd give you dissension is because they understand that it's more often better to do something correctly the first time so that it lasts much longer. I'm not one of those purists but I'd like to think that there is a reason why Catalina Yachts originally went with the Teak for that post. Oak may for for many years as a sturdy post because it has been used for shipbuilding for many centuries. My suggestion would be to encase the oak in epoxy so that it remains dry. If rain gets in under the mast step, then that area can rot. If you decide to make another post of wood, there are other woods that you may also consider. If you can get your hands on black Locust for example because it doesn't rot for many decades.

I'd be careful about inserts of brass, epoxy or anything. One could put an insert into the compression post but if the wood rots or that insert loosens after the lag bolt is in there, then you'll have a fun time unscrewing that lag bolt from the insert as you find that things get loose at the mast step.

I'd think that there is also a reason why Catalina changed from the wood post to one of Stainless Steel in the new style in 86-87.
 

GDTRFB

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Aug 14, 2011
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Catalina C22 Kenmore, WA
I see no reason in the world why it would not work.
The only dissension you will get is from the purists..
When it comes to a sailboat, no one can claim purist can they? Sailboats are meant to be modified, changed and outfitted to ones personal liking.

I have a VW Westy Vanagon that I put a subaru engine in, all the so called 'VW purist' i knew boo'ed and hissed until they drove it. :dance:

Seriously though, I bet you could use one of those oak bannister posts with a dark varathane and no one could tell the difference. For $40 bucks it seems a no brainer, especially if your post is cracked and or damaged from rusted lag bolts.

Paul
 
Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
For what it's worth, when I end up using a lighter colored wood, like oak, I've found Minwax stain, #224, -Special Walnut-, to most closely resemble that dark teak look, and then 3 or 4 coats of Helmsman Spar Urethane over that. The stain is about 5 bucks for a small can, and as thin as it is, goes a long way. Debating wood treatments to me seem like the days when old men would sit around and argue motor oils. When my neighbor here on the hill used one of the coatings that I see much ballyhooed on this site and others, he put it on his Cheoy Lee last year, let it winter, and this year it looks like it's never been touched with anything, and he's having to do it all over again before he can splash. My boat that's done with Helmsmans looks like I just finished it. And he's putting the same crap back on his boat, while paying the hill bill working on it. Go figure.
The thing is, is other people have probably had different experiences with both, I just know what works for me.
Have you ever noticed, some bloke with a lady, you think she looks like a scarecrow, and can't help but wonder what he sees in her? He however thinks she's beautiful. "Nuff said on that.
IF......I had access to a tig rig, I'd probably rebuild the post out of 2" or 3" schedule 40, 317 grade stainless pipe. When archeologist discover it ten thousand years from now, they'll be trying to figure out what it was...
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
One book by some old salt that I read recently said that with the teak exterior trim, refinishing it is only worthwhile when you are selling it.
I've used several coats of that minwax now for six years annually. Sand it all down nicely, clean up the wood, apply about 6 coats ...great project for the winter months. It looks great once it's on. Splash the boat in spring...After about a month or so, it gets hard out there at the docks and you might nick it here or or it gets small cracks from the UV rays and then every morning (or whenever it rains) water gets into that crack and lifts up a bit more of the varnish...makes that wood look grey again.
This year, I'm trying the soy-based spar varnish made by rustoleum. It actually goes on easier, dries 4 times faster and for the brush-water clean-up. Seems OK so far.

If you keep the boat out in the weather, making a sunbrella cabin cover would be a great project.
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
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Catalina 22 Ohio
When it comes to a sailboat, no one can claim purist can they? Sailboats are meant to be modified, changed and outfitted to ones personal liking.
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Well, I hold this view but sometimes "the purists" have a reason. With C22 class racing, certain modifications are frowned upon. If one has a rather earlier boat, they are in high demand and so "stock condition" may make the boat a lot more valuable to one of those purists. My new style isn't one of those and I'm not a racer. So I do whatever I like with mine as long as it's what I'd consider to be safe.
 
Oct 17, 2011
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Ericson 29 Southport..
Yeah, I understand. The only reason I got "stuck" on Helmsmans is, is that it's so readily available, sorta cheap, and now it matches everything else. I TRULY wish I could find something that lasts, cleaned up easily, was cost effective, and didn't take a chemistry degree to mix it, apply it, etc, etc. I'm sure there's some folks that despise the stuff.
Truth is........I'm not crazy about it.....
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
I finally got around to varnishing the companion hatch board, after months of oiling. They look great and I made a cover that protects the slider rails as well as the hatch boars. It snaps on easily and I usually just leave it rolled up on the roof when sailing. I may add an extention to cover the eyebrows. I also made matching covers that velcro on to the hand rails. They also go on quickly and can be pulled off with just a yank. I'll post some picts when I go to marina this weekend.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Catalina in Largo Fl. 727-544-6681 Ask for Ken. Or Warren.
By the way, many apologies if I offended anyone with the "purist" thing. Certainly wasn't my intention..
 
Mar 8, 2012
446
Catalina 22 trailer sailor
I didn't get offended myself by you Chris, I did get offended by another guy in the Cruising forum, I was looking to see if anyone posted any quick and easy recipes to use on a boat and ran across this one post on repair where someone joked about duct tape and something else, a response came back that if he ever needed comical relief, he would come to the Catalina 22 board to see who wants to fix what on a boat with something from Wal-Mart. Kind of pissed me off. I'm not posting his name in here because sometimes he comments here but that type of arrogance is what I think "purist" is referring to. If I can find it at Wal-Mart to formulate a repair, I will use it, if I have to go to West Marine, I will....

If the dude wanted to talk crap about people like me, he should have referenced craigslist.org since I purchased a boat there and have purchased replacement used parts there. HA!
 
Sep 2, 2011
1,041
Hunter 27 Cherubini Alum Creek State Park
One book by some old salt that I read recently said that with the teak exterior trim, refinishing it is only worthwhile when you are selling it.
I've used several coats of that minwax now for six years annually. Sand it all down nicely, clean up the wood, apply about 6 coats ...great project for the winter months. It looks great once it's on. Splash the boat in spring...After about a month or so, it gets hard out there at the docks and you might nick it here or or it gets small cracks from the UV rays and then every morning (or whenever it rains) water gets into that crack and lifts up a bit more of the varnish...makes that wood look grey again.
This year, I'm trying the soy-based spar varnish made by rustoleum. It actually goes on easier, dries 4 times faster and for the brush-water clean-up. Seems OK so far.

If you keep the boat out in the weather, making a sunbrella cabin cover would be a great project.
I'm trying a product called "Flood" that's made for decks and fences. It's got a 5yr UV warranty on fences and 3yrs on decks.. I used the cedar tone finish on some of my teak and it looks great. I did a crib board with it about half way thru last summer, and it still looked great when I sold the boat last month.

I'll report back after a season in the sun and rain. The piture on the right is the "before".
 

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Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
I was also not offended by the purist comments. I had a person locally who I'm going to say is a purist/perfectionist sort and he turned me rather off of that sort of sailor. What happened is that I had used some silicone sealant on my chain plates where they go through-hull and he went off on me for the very idea. I've seen others online chime on on this sort of thinking but the truth is that that specific area (On the new style at least) is prone to some flexing and if the sealant is too stiff, there is going to be a rainwater leak that will rot the bulkheads AND the decking. I know this because when I bought my boat, the bottoms of the bulkheads were rotten and the chain plates were loose to a dangerous point. I've replaced my bulkheads with better quality oak ply that is completely sealed in clear Epoxy 5 years ago and I'm still using the silicone there and I've had no leaks so far. ;-)
Any suggestions as to the best way to seal the teak wood outside is appreciated because I'm getting tired of sanding it annually and it's getting kinda thinner each time I do sand.
I also got into a discussion with a non-C-22 person about how we get wear of the keel parts and I'm going to leave it at, He's got much more sailing and maintenance experience that should be respected but.....I know my boat.
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
I'm trying a product called "Flood" that's made for decks and fences. It's got a 5yr UV warranty on fences and 3yrs on decks.. I used the cedar tone finish on some of my teak and it looks great. I did a crib board with it about half way thru last summer, and it still looked great when I sold the boat last month.

I'll report back after a season in the sun and rain. The picture on the right is the "before".
I like the look of your finished wood. I'm going to look up this product. 3 years would be great if I could get it.
 
Nov 29, 2011
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Catalina 22 Dallas - Fort Worth
If the dude wanted to talk crap about people like me, he should have referenced craigslist.org since I purchased a boat there and have purchased replacement used parts there. HA!
I purchased my C22 from craigslist too. HA! Remember that if you are out in the middle of the sea, there is not Walmart nor West Marine to go buy parts or materials, so that's why I like also to improvise a repair with whatever is available. I would never try to keep up with the joneses. And I admire someone who makes a tiller out of a wheelbarrow handle or a mast compression post out of a banister post, that's seamanship.
 

GDTRFB

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Aug 14, 2011
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Catalina C22 Kenmore, WA
I like the look of your finished wood. I'm going to look up this product. 3 years would be great if I could get it.
Thread Jack or what? what happened to the mast step bolt?

isn't there a moderator to keep threads on topic? I have comments about Flood, but I am not posting them here.
 
Mar 8, 2012
446
Catalina 22 trailer sailor
When I was out on Jordan Lake a couple of weeks ago, I hastily connected my mainsheet and it was twisted, while out on the water, I tried to clear it and dropped the shackle overboard, I wound up tying the mainsheet block to the carrier on the traveler bar with a bit of line. It got me by for the day until I can get a replacement. I'm not going to be hosting any champagne socials on my vessel so I'm not worried about who sees what on my boat. I don't mind purist as long as they don't get arrogant and then I don't care how much experience and knowledge they have, they have nothing to say that interests me.
 
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