Maryland Boaters BEWARE!

[KrustyKrab]

thinwater - I most certainly do pay substantial property taxes in MD, as well as be required to get the "VEIP" vehicle emissions inspection every couple of years (at my cost). So I will cry all I want.... no, wait, that might fall under the MD "rain tax". (yes, to non-MD'ers, MD has a "rain tax", google it)

Bill, I didn't see rubber ducks on your non-register list. Uh oh, I'm really in trouble now...

Gunni, I don't know how they could determine my boat was in use unless the NSA has one of their spy satellites trained on my yard. And if so, they would have seen it sitting in my yard for 9 years. But, I suppose if I wanted to fight it the burden of proof would be on me to prove it was not in use. As the saying goes, "you can't fight city hall", or if you do it is damn costly.

I may be ignorant to the fact that I didn't know that my back yard was considered "Maryland Waters", but my thoughts about MD taxes are generalization. Everyone please wave if you sail past my kitchen door, and please watch out for the dog.

 

[Gunni]

Well there we have the truth! A tax scofflaw. You didn't pay your boat excise task within 90 days of bringing your boat into Maryland. This has nothing with Maryland boat registration.

Here is a little light to illuminate your ignorance:

-All vessel excise tax is deposited in the Waterway Improvement Fund. These special funds are earmarked for the engineering, construction and maintenance of boating related projects on public lands, including dredging, channel marking, clearing debris, constructing and maintaining marine facilities, and other projects that benefit the boating public.

 

[Scott T-Bird]

-All vessel excise tax is deposited in the Waterway Improvement Fund. These special funds are earmarked for the engineering, construction and maintenance of boating related projects on public lands, including dredging, channel marking, clearing debris, constructing and maintaining marine facilities, and other projects that benefit the boating public.

In other words, a slush fund to reward cronies of the government.

Relax Krusty, your money goes to a good cause ... it contributes to the health and wealth of your government! Just don't ask for any thanks, you don't want a bureaucrat or a tax collector to take an interest in you!

 

[Gunni]

Scott:
Everyone knows you can't measure Maryland government ethical standards with a New Jersey government measuring stick - it is too crooked.

 

[Scott T-Bird]

Which one is crooked? It's funny you mention it ... http://www.stateintegrity.org/your_state

 

[justsomeguy]

As long as you use the same crooked stick for both...

 

[Gunni]

Which one is crooked? It's funny you mention it ... http://www.stateintegrity.org/your_state

Yeah, New Jersey sure does have a lot of laws outlawing corruption! Yet The Soprano State, home of the longest running FBI government corruption probe - Operation Bid Rig, and the unfolding Fort Lee "traffic problems" indicate that you can't legislate ethical government.

 

[Scott T-Bird]

Yes ... very surprising results. NJ ranks 1st in the nation, Maryland 40th ... what makes Md so corrupt and allows Md to fly under the radar? Hmmm ...

 

[DAVA390]

I would bet money that the "Waterway improvement fund " is routinely robbed just like the "Transportation Trust Fund " by O'Malley and the legislature.

 

[thinwater]

thinwater - I most certainly do pay substantial property taxes in MD, as well as be required to get the "VEIP" vehicle emissions inspection every couple of years (at my cost). So I will cry all I want.... no, wait, that might fall under the MD "rain tax". (yes, to non-MD'ers, MD has a "rain tax", google it)

Emission inspection is Federal law, common in all urban/suburban areas. Real estate tax, certainly. But you impressed me with the rain tax.

So if you cry, they tax that?

 

[justsomeguy]

You could move...Aw, who am I trying to kid?

 

[GeorgiaBII]

Emission inspection is Federal law, common in all urban/suburban areas. Real estate tax, certainly. But you impressed me with the rain tax.

So if you cry, they tax that?

Emission inspection is not federal law except in metro area's... Ga only has inspections in the atlanta metro area. All other parts of Ga do not have inspections.

 

[Gunni]

Yes ... very surprising results. NJ ranks 1st in the nation, Maryland 40th ... what makes Md so corrupt and allows Md to fly under the radar? Hmmm ...

Scotty; Apparently you do not understand the intertube link you posted. New Jersey ranks 1st in the nation for laws prohibiting corruption. Unfortunately, making it illegal to be a crooked New Jersey public official has not prevented New Jersey from having a very crooked government. But then, you knew that.

 

[Ron20324]

"How do I know if my vessel must be registered in Maryland? If your vessel was purchased elsewhere or previously registered in another jurisdiction, is now in Maryland waters, and will use Maryland waters more than any other single jurisdiction during the calendar year, you are liable for vessel excise tax and must register the vessel within 30 days of entering Maryland waters." end quote

Your boat is not "in Maryland waters", is in your private property. Put it on the road, you'd better have tags on the trailer. Put it in the water, then it's a boat and you better have the sticker. My condo development/ condo marina slips tried to pass a requirement that all boats in slips must have current registration or documented. In addition to the condo board is not an enforcing agency, the lawyer pointed out the slips are actually within the "Harbor Line" of our develoepement, and thus not in "public waters". They'd not have to be registered unless thay leave their slip. Some people used their boats only as weekend retreats.

IIRC, and unless things have changed, you do not have to register/tag a car that sits in your property (how many derilects do you see?), but once you back it out of the driveay onto a public street, you'd have to have tags. I'd think (I'm not a lawyer) unless a boat is in the water, it is not really a "boat"- it just looks better than a lawn jockey, the old lady bending over, or elf in the yard. I think you need a second oninion from someone other than who is right behind the DNR counter. Maybe your clerk thought you had been using the boat? Besides, how many used boats sit at the broker or in fenced in storage compunds do not have current reigistration? My 2 cents.:cussing:

 

[Scott T-Bird]

Ron makes a great argument. Alas, Krusty appears to have already paid ... good luck getting the money back. As is often the case, give a government clerk a little power behind their desk and watch the abuse that follows.

 

[woodster]

Ron makes a great argument. Alas, Krusty appears to have already paid ... good luck getting the money back. As is often the case, give a government clerk a little power behind their desk and watch the abuse that follows.

what is the difference in abuse and egotistical stupidity

 

[Scott T-Bird]

what is the difference in abuse and egotistical stupidity

I guess it might depend on your point of view ... what's your point?

 

[KrustyKrab]

Well there we have the truth! A tax scofflaw. Here is a little light to illuminate your ignorance:

Wow, name calling and personal insults all in my first week. So, that's the kind of forum this is?

Thinwater, if the "rain tax" impresses you, you will really like our "beverage tax" - http://nobaltimorebeveragetax.com/

General point being that I think we could all argue that each of our states is the most corrupt and we could all make a darn good argument. I remember several years ago MD actually had a $1B budget surplus under Gov. Ehrlich. And that was before we had legal gambling. Here's a crazy thought - if you have a surplus - GIVE IT BACK to the taxpayers! Sad state of affairs. Our country is still the greatest, but creeping ever so slowly toward socialism. :neutral:

Ron, Excellent point and that was also my rationale! For all DNR knows I turned my boat into a lawn ornament in 2005. (which, essentially, it was) I certainly think that I was screwed once again by Uncle O'Malley and associates. But, like I said, why spend $1000's to save $100's. Don't mess with the little old lady behind the DNR counter :naughty: .

 

[Ross]

I have lived in Maryland for 43 years and while the taxes are higher than in some states so also is the quality of the state services. When Bob Erlich was Governor the state of our government paid services declined.