First, thanks to all of you for your advice and counsel these many months. My 310 was splashed about 2 weeks ago and I love it. Unfortunately in Texas we are under a huge High Pressure area that has zeroed out winds and pegged the temp at 100 about every day. Last evening the Admiral and I had our first sail with the Main up (winds too light to bother before now). The power of the main sheet was sort of a shock to me after several years of holding a J22 in my hand. I am probably doing something wrong, but thought I would ask you all for help (as usual). Last night (10 knots wind) I found I needed the primary to sheet in the main. To change the boom angle means (to me) taking it out of the jam cleat and then over to the winch. After sheeting in the Main, the load is so strong I can't move it back to the jam cleat and free up the primary. That is one issue. The second issue is my concern for when I am sailing solo. Even with the auto helm, I would like to be able to quickly ease the boom in a gust - if the sheet is around the primary, how do you do this? Sorry to be so stupid, but this is my first "big" boat and it is a little intimidating at this early stage...any hints are appreciated. Take care. Ed. Our Tyme Hull #246
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roger marshutz
sheeting
I also have a 310 that we have had for 2 years..;.love it. After you raise the main and the cam is closed unrap the hallard from the winch and store the line in the bag. . Then take the main sheet and wrap around the winch. use a winch handle to bring in the sheet. I'm small and do it all the time. If you want to relaease the pressure on the main use the traveler. Other wise you are going to have to unwrap the line from the winch and jam it in the cam....and burn your hands. A friend mine that I sail with has an Islander 36 that has no boom vang so he uses the traveler all the time. On my boat he trims the main with the traveler....so I'm learning to do that. If you have the jib up it is easy to let that go...Have fun......if you have any more questions you can email me at <rogerfoto@earthlink.net>
I also have a 310 that we have had for 2 years..;.love it. After you raise the main and the cam is closed unrap the hallard from the winch and store the line in the bag. . Then take the main sheet and wrap around the winch. use a winch handle to bring in the sheet. I'm small and do it all the time. If you want to relaease the pressure on the main use the traveler. Other wise you are going to have to unwrap the line from the winch and jam it in the cam....and burn your hands. A friend mine that I sail with has an Islander 36 that has no boom vang so he uses the traveler all the time. On my boat he trims the main with the traveler....so I'm learning to do that. If you have the jib up it is easy to let that go...Have fun......if you have any more questions you can email me at <rogerfoto@earthlink.net>
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Bayard Gross
Maybe a cam cleat or a rope clutch
In place of the jam cleat, I think a cam cleat with a saddle (large eye strap) over it or a rope clutch placed before the main sheet is wrapped onto the winch, I think would be helpful. However, there may be room issues which negate the use of a rope clutch and possibly even a cam cleat.
In place of the jam cleat, I think a cam cleat with a saddle (large eye strap) over it or a rope clutch placed before the main sheet is wrapped onto the winch, I think would be helpful. However, there may be room issues which negate the use of a rope clutch and possibly even a cam cleat.
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Joe
mainsheet suggestions...
... First I would add a simple jam or cam cleat about 12-18 inches forward of the cabin top halyard winch. This cleat is used to temporarily stop the loaded sheet so it can be re-located. It is important that this cleat NOT have a fairlead or saddle (as Bayard calls it) so that you can simply lift the line out of the cleat when relocating. This would be inconvenient with a clutch or fairlead. You have discovered the inherent problem of mid-boom sheeting. You have to leave the helm to make mainsail adjustments. I like Roger's suggestion of using the traveller. I would run the traveller control lines back to cleats near the helm as an alternate to the cabin top. Hopefully the lines are long enough to extend another 6 feet, When sailing with a crew, rig them in the normal configuration. Use the mainsheet to set your main's twist, then trim with the traveller. Good luck.
... First I would add a simple jam or cam cleat about 12-18 inches forward of the cabin top halyard winch. This cleat is used to temporarily stop the loaded sheet so it can be re-located. It is important that this cleat NOT have a fairlead or saddle (as Bayard calls it) so that you can simply lift the line out of the cleat when relocating. This would be inconvenient with a clutch or fairlead. You have discovered the inherent problem of mid-boom sheeting. You have to leave the helm to make mainsail adjustments. I like Roger's suggestion of using the traveller. I would run the traveller control lines back to cleats near the helm as an alternate to the cabin top. Hopefully the lines are long enough to extend another 6 feet, When sailing with a crew, rig them in the normal configuration. Use the mainsheet to set your main's twist, then trim with the traveller. Good luck.
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Reid
Use the winch
We've been sailing our 310 since March and I have found that I rarely use the jam cleat for the main sheet. We have in mast furling so we don't keep the main halyard on the winch at all. It stays in the sheet bag. I use the starboard winch almost exclusively for the main sheet. Use the traveler to change or trim the angle of the main. Watch out though. In heavy air when you pop open the clutch for the traveler sheet it can run out pretty quick and give you a good burn. In heavy air I usually take a turn around a winch so I can ease out the traveler in a controlled fashion. Have fun with the new boat. They are a blast to sail.
We've been sailing our 310 since March and I have found that I rarely use the jam cleat for the main sheet. We have in mast furling so we don't keep the main halyard on the winch at all. It stays in the sheet bag. I use the starboard winch almost exclusively for the main sheet. Use the traveler to change or trim the angle of the main. Watch out though. In heavy air when you pop open the clutch for the traveler sheet it can run out pretty quick and give you a good burn. In heavy air I usually take a turn around a winch so I can ease out the traveler in a controlled fashion. Have fun with the new boat. They are a blast to sail.
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Pete Peterson
Traveller
Ed, I go along with Roger's and Joe's suggestion of using the traveller. Our C320 has the same problem with location of the jam cleat that makes it difficult to engage when winching the main sheet in heavier winds. Although the traveller has the problem of having to handle the off wind line as well, it has the advantage that the cam cleat is always right in line.
Ed, I go along with Roger's and Joe's suggestion of using the traveller. Our C320 has the same problem with location of the jam cleat that makes it difficult to engage when winching the main sheet in heavier winds. Although the traveller has the problem of having to handle the off wind line as well, it has the advantage that the cam cleat is always right in line.
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Jim Wolfgram
Our approach with a 320.
I do a good bit of short handed and singlehanded sailing on a 320. Here's how we manage the main. 1. Hoist with winch, lock the clutch, stow the halyard. 2. Mainsheet on winch. 3. Us Mainsheet to control leech tension and twist. 4. Adjust angle of attack with travelor, on our boat we can adjust the travelor with out needing a winch. When I singlehand, I pull the travelor lines back, this allows me to drop the travelor in gusts and reduce weather helm.
I do a good bit of short handed and singlehanded sailing on a 320. Here's how we manage the main. 1. Hoist with winch, lock the clutch, stow the halyard. 2. Mainsheet on winch. 3. Us Mainsheet to control leech tension and twist. 4. Adjust angle of attack with travelor, on our boat we can adjust the travelor with out needing a winch. When I singlehand, I pull the travelor lines back, this allows me to drop the travelor in gusts and reduce weather helm.
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Ed
Main Sheet Approaches
Thanks everyone for the input. I will give the travler controls some attention, however they are in clutches on both sides, so unless I can handle them outside the clutch, I can't understand how I can react very quickly to depower the travler. Some of this I will just have to experience to feel comfortable. I have even thought about increasing the number of blocks to give me more leverage. Take care and fair sailing this weekend.
Thanks everyone for the input. I will give the travler controls some attention, however they are in clutches on both sides, so unless I can handle them outside the clutch, I can't understand how I can react very quickly to depower the travler. Some of this I will just have to experience to feel comfortable. I have even thought about increasing the number of blocks to give me more leverage. Take care and fair sailing this weekend.
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Mike Kidd
Ed, a question about the new 310
I'm considering buying a new one, but have never bought a new boat before. Did you find the sticker price to be negotiable with a dealer, or pretty much carved in stone. Also, where there other delivery/freight/commissioning charges? I live in the Dallas area. Can I ask where you bought it, and whether you'd recommend that dealer?
I'm considering buying a new one, but have never bought a new boat before. Did you find the sticker price to be negotiable with a dealer, or pretty much carved in stone. Also, where there other delivery/freight/commissioning charges? I live in the Dallas area. Can I ask where you bought it, and whether you'd recommend that dealer?
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Ed
Contact Me Direct
Mike: Please e-mail me direct of the list @ eboudreau@ccmcnet.com, or give me a call, 214-469-576-6090 (cell). I will be happy to share my information and experiences. Ed
Mike: Please e-mail me direct of the list @ eboudreau@ccmcnet.com, or give me a call, 214-469-576-6090 (cell). I will be happy to share my information and experiences. Ed
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