Magnetic Diesel Fuel Conditioners

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Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
Question for Pat McCartin, et al

I've put about 1400hrs on my '01-420 going back and forth from Norfolk to the Keys for the past 4 years... so I've fueled up quite a bit. I've always used a Baha fuel filter and the several addatives recommended by Yanmar. I do have an Algae-X, although I can't really say that it has done much good. At commissioning in '01, I installed a Racor duel fuel filter manifold that allows switching between either of 2 Racor filters... its come in handy several times as one Racor has begun to become clogged. This Spring, on the way back North, the valve failed on the manifold ( the internal plastic part galled). I called Racor, and to my pleased surprise was told that they had realized that the part was poorly engineered and volunteered to send me an entire new manifold unit... kudos to Racor... When I changed the units out, I was dismayed to find so much fine black particulate crud in the entire assembly despite all of my precautions (and obviously never having any signifigant amount of old fuel in the tank). Asking around, I was told that diesel fuel has small amounts of asphalt suspended in the fuel and over time the asphalt percipatates out of suspension. This creates the crud found in every fuel tank and filter assembly.... So, to the question... is this actually true about diesel fuel? I've never heard of people w/ diesel powered vehicles complaining of this problem. If it is true, is the only solution periodic fuel polishing??? Buck Harrison s/v L'Attitude
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
Question for Pat McCartin, et al

I've put about 1400hrs on my '01-420 going back and forth from Norfolk to the Keys for the past 4 years... so I've fueled up quite a bit. I've always used a Baha fuel filter and the several addatives recommended by Yanmar. I do have an Algae-X, although I can't really say that it has done much good. At commissioning in '01, I installed a Racor duel fuel filter manifold that allows switching between either of 2 Racor filters... its come in handy several times as one Racor has begun to become clogged. This Spring, on the way back North, the valve failed on the manifold ( the internal plastic part galled). I called Racor, and to my pleased surprise was told that they had realized that the part was poorly engineered and volunteered to send me an entire new manifold unit... kudos to Racor... When I changed the units out, I was dismayed to find so much fine black particulate crud in the entire assembly despite all of my precautions (and obviously never having any signifigant amount of old fuel in the tank). Asking around, I was told that diesel fuel has small amounts of asphalt suspended in the fuel and over time the asphalt percipatates out of suspension. This creates the crud found in every fuel tank and filter assembly.... So, to the question... is this actually true about diesel fuel? I've never heard of people w/ diesel powered vehicles complaining of this problem. If it is true, is the only solution periodic fuel polishing??? Buck Harrison s/v L'Attitude
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Buck, good question. Would you also pose it to

the folks at yanmarhelp.com and let us know what they say?
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Buck, good question. Would you also pose it to

the folks at yanmarhelp.com and let us know what they say?
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
I've never heard that...

That's a new explanation to me. I'd say that your filters are doing the job catching all the Diesel Bug. Even with careful management of your fuel supply there is going to be some water intrusion. I drive a diesel VW and drain about a pint of water out of the seperator every 10,000 miles. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
I've never heard that...

That's a new explanation to me. I'd say that your filters are doing the job catching all the Diesel Bug. Even with careful management of your fuel supply there is going to be some water intrusion. I drive a diesel VW and drain about a pint of water out of the seperator every 10,000 miles. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
 

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May 24, 2004
341
Pearson 323 panama city
At 40 mpg thats 250 gallons!!!

Last year I used less than 20 gallons in my sailboat. So less than a pint every 10 years ain't bad!!!
 

p323ms

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May 24, 2004
341
Pearson 323 panama city
At 40 mpg thats 250 gallons!!!

Last year I used less than 20 gallons in my sailboat. So less than a pint every 10 years ain't bad!!!
 
Mar 1, 2004
351
Catalina 387 Cedar Mills-Lake Texhoma
Parallel Filters

After ending up on the tires when my engine died one time due to a cloged filter, I built a similiar system with two filters. One filter has a clear bowel that I can monitor and then switch to the backup when it is obvious that the engine is going to stop.
 
Mar 1, 2004
351
Catalina 387 Cedar Mills-Lake Texhoma
Parallel Filters

After ending up on the tires when my engine died one time due to a cloged filter, I built a similiar system with two filters. One filter has a clear bowel that I can monitor and then switch to the backup when it is obvious that the engine is going to stop.
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
OK Fred,

I posted it on the discussion board of yanmarhelp.com. Good suggestion. Pat, don't believe the black crud is water related and if its dead bacteria I'd be really amazed... even if I wasn't using (PFFP)algae killer, (which I am)... Anybody else got the black crud ???
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
OK Fred,

I posted it on the discussion board of yanmarhelp.com. Good suggestion. Pat, don't believe the black crud is water related and if its dead bacteria I'd be really amazed... even if I wasn't using (PFFP)algae killer, (which I am)... Anybody else got the black crud ???
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
Water and Algee

I have to believe that the black crud is algee. I haven't seen anything else that would be described that way. Anwway the algee live in the small accumulation of water in your tank and filter. They use the diesel as a food source. If you are using an aglecide then it could very well be algee build up. What Racor are you using? Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
Water and Algee

I have to believe that the black crud is algee. I haven't seen anything else that would be described that way. Anwway the algee live in the small accumulation of water in your tank and filter. They use the diesel as a food source. If you are using an aglecide then it could very well be algee build up. What Racor are you using? Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
Pat,

I'm using 30micron (red) filters in the (primary) Raycor manifold.... Ck out the response in yanmarhelp.com and tell us what you think.. Buck
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
Pat,

I'm using 30micron (red) filters in the (primary) Raycor manifold.... Ck out the response in yanmarhelp.com and tell us what you think.. Buck
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
Wow...

Buck, 30mcn is correct for a primary filter. The Yanmar filter is 10mcn. I learned something today, I've always held that that was algee. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, GA imd_ga@hotmil.com
 
Jun 3, 2004
347
Hunter 30_74-83 Lake Lanier, GA
Wow...

Buck, 30mcn is correct for a primary filter. The Yanmar filter is 10mcn. I learned something today, I've always held that that was algee. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, GA imd_ga@hotmil.com
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Wow, is right!

Good info and like any good epiphany, explains a lot. We've talked about filter micron rating here a lot too. With my setup, I have been using the larger stern tank to fuel-up. I then pump the fuel to the stock tank via a Racor filter. The fuel is then sent to the engine but is again filtered by an identical Racor. I have 2 micron cartages in them and have only used a conditioner sparingly in the past. The point is, I haven't had a fuel problem with this setup. Maybe those 2 micron filters work to counteract the 'asphalt' in diesel. The main reason I selected 2 micron filters is because I don't want stuff plugging the little Yanmar engine filter because it's so hard to reach for service. Any thoughts?
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Wow, is right!

Good info and like any good epiphany, explains a lot. We've talked about filter micron rating here a lot too. With my setup, I have been using the larger stern tank to fuel-up. I then pump the fuel to the stock tank via a Racor filter. The fuel is then sent to the engine but is again filtered by an identical Racor. I have 2 micron cartages in them and have only used a conditioner sparingly in the past. The point is, I haven't had a fuel problem with this setup. Maybe those 2 micron filters work to counteract the 'asphalt' in diesel. The main reason I selected 2 micron filters is because I don't want stuff plugging the little Yanmar engine filter because it's so hard to reach for service. Any thoughts?
 
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