Download it here. The app is searchable in the Google Play Store under Sailboat Owners.
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That's definitely true. I've only owned trailerables myself. The West Wight Potter 19 was a sturdy little boat. Over time we found it too small which was why we looked to the Mac and then the Hunter.I have several "reservations" about the Mac 26X, and I think the Hunter addresses some of them (like ballast, fit and finish, etc). But both are definitely "compromise" boats, and as long as you understand that, fine.
Having sailed the Potter strictly as a trailerable we discounted the Mac claims that "one person could launch the boat in 10-15 minutes". We figured that it would be more like the 30-45 that the Potter typically took us. We had read and employed all the tricks to configuring the boat to speed set up and take down and were experienced at doing that. So we thought the Mac would be about the same. Instead we found it typically took about 1.25hrs and when we compared this time with others were told that this was a very good time.Probably the biggest objection I have to the Mac is it's misleading and hard-sell advertising (which is probably the main reason for it's popularity: new boat buyers believe the hype). I've seen comments like "Having sails is a safety issue - if the engine breaks down, you can always sail home", or even something about their designers not knowing why a sailboat hull is different from a powerboat hull.
And now that the Hunter is in the market, the Mac folks may have to clean up their marketing a bit
Amen! Talk to other owners, look at the boat YOURSELF and with YOU SIGNIFICANT OTHER(S). It's their boat too. (Someone had mentioned the sufficiency of the head for their spouse on another thread.)So I strongly second your advice to folks that they should take the Mac's marketing claims (or even the Hunter's) with more than a grain of salt and understand what they want out of the boat and how they will use it.
Double amen, particularly with respect to after-sale service, which is more important than how they treat you up to the time of the sale.Also, it's a really good idea to check out the reputation of the dealer.
They are both great boats, if they are what you want. Both totally different price points, and different target audiences.I really have no opinion on this type of a boat, but here is a comparsion that someone has done. It appears that maybe there is not a lot of common ground between the two designs. They appear to be two go/fast motor boats that have sails, I think that may be where the likeness ends.
Maybe you Mac/Hunter Hunter/Mac owners would like to sail at 18-20 kts under wind power some day. Man-o-man it is a rush.
Enjoy your discussion.
I bought a Toyota 4Runner (with Class III capacity) to pull the 26M in the first place. It works fine to pull the Edge so at least for me there was no additional expense.1) Edge is heavier, requires a larger truck to pull, more water to launch, permit requires in some states. This would put many Mac owners out of the sailing business, as we trailer our boats mostly, at least in the NE-TS club.
I hadn't checked out a 26X until we brought our 26M to the marina in Salem and found someone there had an X. From what I understand (from prior communication with you I think) the early 26M layout was more like the 26X. I totally agree with you about the layout being better on the original Ms and the Xs. I think the changes they made to the 26M were not very good.2)cabin - personal preference. We prefer the older 03/04 M interior over the later M or edge interior layout. We prefer the head being foreward leaving more valuable real estate to actual use.
I found the traveler on the 2008 26M was constantly getting in the way, and in people's faces so I didn't like it at all. This is definitely a personal preference thing I suppose.4) Cockpit, after owning the M, comparing it to the edge, we (shockingly) prefer the M. It is nice having a traveler, and a track for the genny/jib. Having the cockpit enclosed more, prevents things from sliding out. Jury is out on the semi standing captain seat on the edge. We have had 8 people on our M in the cockpit at happy hour. There is plenty of room.
Um, how does a hollow daggerboard that fills with water offer any weight? If the daggerboard were hollow and sealed it would displace the water. So the weight of the water that fills the daggerboard is neutral because it doesn't weigh any more than the water that would otherwise be displaced in the same volume. In order to actually add weight the keel has to be denser and heavier than the water it displaces. That's just basic physics...5) the M's daggerboard IS hollow, but fills with water and does offer weight. No idea how it compares to the edge, but it has worked well for us for 6 years no.
Yes, your NE-TS avatar indicates as much.The Mac is more of a starter kit that you finish, which worked well for us. The edge seems to be better equipped out of the box (of course at a significant price diffence)
I think that's a fair assessment.They are such different boats, the only thing you can say they share is the trailer sailor concept.
Unless you hit something at 6+ knots, the DB should be able to take it. Plus it IS sacrificial. I would rather crack the db than the hull!!
Plus you can easily change a DB on the water. move the mast, drop in the db. done.
I stopped having GI issues after I got rid of my Mac!I dont have any serious GI issues so I don't spend a lot of time in there!
Didn't you already own the Mac when the Edge came out?To us it wasn't the cost, but there are a few deal breakers on the design of the edge that would put me out of the market for one. there are many great things about the edge that are far superior than the Mac (and there should be for the price difference).
IF you wanted to carry one, under the rear berth cushions would work, its 6'+ long back there. I think the db should fit back there..dont quote me.. Unless cruising, I see no need to carry one on board. The reported cases I have heard of them breaking I can count on one hand...all due to excessive speed. I have hit tons of stuff with our boat, including the trailer many times (I leave it down a bit when going on the trailer..sometimes i keep it too low and it whacks the trailer) and it still looks good. But if you did hit something a lot faster, no doubt there would be more damage...but that is what is there for..But at 6 knts there should be no/or only cosmetic damage to an Ms board as well...unless there was a mfr defect. It is pretty robust.Where on the Mac can you store a spare DB? I don't recall there being anyplace big enough to store something like that.
We were lucky enough to minimize the loss on selling our year old Mac and moving over to the Edge. There are so many things about the Edge that suit us better than the Mac so we don't regret spending the extra $ at all. That said I wouldn't expect someone that wasn't as unhappy with their Mac as we were to sell it and buy an Edge.
You probably know this s.d., but the older magregors; the s and d models, are very good sailors. I don't know about the x n m models...I doubt it sails very well... much like its less expensive cousins, the Macgregors... IMHO, if you want a power boat, buy a powerboat, if you want a sailboat, buy a sailboat... This is neither...