Laura Dekker - young solo sailor woes

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Dec 9, 2008
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1980 Hunter 30 "Denali" Seaford, VA
Looks like some issues for 13 year old Laura Dekker's attempt to solo circumnavigate.

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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25978081-401,00.html

DUTCH child protection agents urged a court today to stop a 13-year-old girl from pursuing her dream of becoming the youngest person ever to sail around the world solo.
Social workers want to strip Laura Dekkers' parents, who support their daughter's plans, of parental rights and have her declared a ward of the court to stop the girl from setting sail.
"It means that her parents will temporarily lose the right to make any decisions concerning their child,'' court spokesman Paul van Daalen said.
Laura and her father Dick Dekker were present for the hearing behind closed doors, he said.
A children's judge in Utrecht in the central Netherlands was expected to rule this week, the spokesman said.
Born on a yacht off the New Zealand coast during a seven-year world trip by her parents, according to Dutch press, Laura plans to become the youngest ever sailor to navigate around the world in her 8.3-metre-long Hurley 800 named Guppy, financed by sponsors.

The slender, blonde girl who reportedly lives with her father on a yacht in the central Netherlands, hopes to achieve this feat in two years and continue her schooling through internet correspondence.
"Since I was 10 years old, I've known that I would like to sail around the world,'' she has told Dutch television. "I want simply to learn about the world and to live freely.''
Her father approached authorities in July for an exemption for Laura from obligatory schooling. The request was refused.
In a recent written report to parliament, education deputy minister Marja van Bijsterveldt-Vliegenthart said "a solo voyage around the world would not be in the best interests of the child''.
Newspapers report that Laura got her first yacht at the age of six and spent the summer of her eleventh year sailing for seven weeks on her own.
"We realise that it is a dangerous undertaking,'' Dick Dekker has told the Gelderlander local newspaper. "But a court which knows nothing about Laura will decide. We would not let our child do something of which she was not in complete control.''
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
There are some 12 year old kids that are better able to handle life and the world than some 20 year old kids.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Hmmm... I'm inclined to compare the relative danger of a 13 year old girl making a solo circumnavigation with the same 13 year old attending public school in the inner city.... Would that social workers could focus on more relevant issues.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
A kid that grew up street smart will do just fine in the inner city and a kid that grew up on boats will do just fine by herself on the water reverse the two kids and you have a recipe for a tragedy.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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child welfare should be up to the parents not some governmental unsuborsdinate organization meant to keep fathers from molesting their daughters .and uncles from beating kids to death.and boyfriends of mommas from hitting kids or torturing kids...is a ridiculous show of control....i hope the kid gets to go sailing....btw--dss in this country deems it child endangerment to take your kids sailing--did you all know that?? documented and proven---in some cases taking more than 2 years of court proceedings and much money to overcome, if possible to overcome......
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
child welfare should be up to the parents not some governmental unsuborsdinate organization meant to keep fathers from molesting their daughters .and uncles from beating kids to death.and boyfriends of mommas from hitting kids or torturing kids...is a ridiculous show of control....i hope the kid gets to go sailing....btw--dss in this country deems it child endangerment to take your kids sailing--did you all know that?? documented and proven---in some cases taking more than 2 years of court proceedings and much money to overcome, if possible to overcome......
Good idea - no government should protect it's children.:evil:

Where did you get the part about sailing being considered endangerment? Let's see the reference. (Unless you are talking about this case where some "father" puts a 13 yr old girl on a boat and says good luck.)
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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Good idea - no government should protect it's children.:evil:

Where did you get the part about sailing being considered endangerment? Let's see the reference. (Unless you are talking about this case where some "father" puts a 13 yr old girl on a boat and says good luck.)
i personally know of one case of a mother taking her 2 kids sailing and being arrested for so doing and having her kids removed from her and put into child protective custody in kalifornikation, and i have an online friend just finished with a case they finally won--but it took 2 years and a small fortune to get free of govt and big brothers nasty intrusions. just because a dss agent saw the kids go out on the boat with the parental unit. ask around--you will also find this to be true--is more than just intrusion. is more than just invasion of privacy. the online friend ios a member of latsand atts and is posted there. is also posted on seaknots....the kalifornikation one is not posted anywhwere--she has been waiting for 4 years to get her kids back. sahe has yet to be alloowed to even see them withoput a dss agent with her. go figger. and the kalifornikation child protection services agents have many more important things to do --i witnessed the death of a4 yr old girl child in emergency room --kid had been raped and beat to death by uncle. go figger. have a reallly good day . btw--i am an emergency room registered nurse.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
somehow it seems there must be more to the story - it is rather inconceivable that a parent simply taking his/her child(ren) sailing is considered endangerment.

If this were true, every sailing club in the world would be in prison...

back to the real topic -
 
May 11, 2005
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Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
My .02

I really have mixed emotions about allowing a 13 year old to take off an around the world trip. But only the parents know the child well enough to know whether or not he/she is capable. Not some govt. agency. They are going to have one single criteria for every child of that age. While most would not be mature enough, or capable enough, this does not mean that every single 13 year old is not capable or mature. It should in the final judgment, be the parents decision. Hopefully they are mature enough and honest enough to judge, and not be like some of the pagent moms, who push to fulfill their own needs.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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I really have mixed emotions about allowing a 13 year old to take off an around the world trip. But only the parents know the child well enough to know whether or not he/she is capable. Not some govt. agency. They are going to have one single criteria for every child of that age. While most would not be mature enough, or capable enough, this does not mean that every single 13 year old is not capable or mature. It should in the final judgment, be the parents decision. Hopefully they are mature enough and honest enough to judge, and not be like some of the pagent moms, who push to fulfill their own needs.
perfect response--
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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somehow it seems there must be more to the story - it is rather inconceivable that a parent simply taking his/her child(ren) sailing is considered endangerment.

If this were true, every sailing club in the world would be in prison...

back to the real topic -
http://www.seafaring.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15228

this is the rest of the story from latsand atts....
another forum writes the girl has permission from nederlands to sail--is a good thing---her itinerary is posted on sailnet......http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gener...33-13-year-old-laura-dekker-around-world.html.
 
May 11, 2005
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Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Go over to Lats and Atts

Don,
Go over to Lats and Atts, and check out the posts in Gregs Pub. This exact scenario has been going on for a long time. For taking kids on a boat/teaching them to sail. CPS got involved. There are three years of posts, as it has been going on this long. Lots of referencas given concerning " Judges Tips" which tell that the judges should rule in favor of CPS, so they can continue to get funding. This specific individual has finally won, and is now suing everyone in sight.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Jeeze, keep the Dss away from the farms. 4 year old kids sent to gather eggs from vicious hens. Six year olds sent to feed the pigs.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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Jeeze, keep the Dss away from the farms. 4 year old kids sent to gather eggs from vicious hens. Six year olds sent to feed the pigs.
only time i have seen social services do well was in an emergency room setting when a patient required being set up for disability income and health care from medi-kal......and for psych evaluation patients requiring inpatient status....anything i have seen of late by them in the protection of children has been invasive , intrusive and non productive---the cases involving torture of kids never get intruded into and the kids who are introduced to enjoyable and positive activities have been "saved " from themselves and from their parents by the dss....ouchies and yipes--big govt has its hand wherein it really does not belong..the family....i really hope this girl does this trip and i hope she is successful and has a reallly goood time!!
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Zeehag, i kinda ,sorta get the feeling that you have been there and done that and wish the hell you had had the chance. Me too! I did what was expected and became domesticated. :cry:
 
Aug 26, 2007
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Macgregor 25 Santa Barbara, Ca.
I am so tired of this sh!#. Children die every day being driven to school by there parents. Bad parents. Children die every day riding there bike. Bad parents. They die for all sorts of reasons. They even die in the custody of child protective services. What is next for this great nation?
 

John

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You Never Know

... what the real story is. Sure, DSS intrudes where it shouldn't. On the other hand, how many parents are there who use their kids to win fame and money. Is that what's behind this 13-year-old sailing round the world? Are her parents pushing her to do something that she's really afraid of but can't admit it? Do we know?
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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... what the real story is. Sure, DSS intrudes where it shouldn't. On the other hand, how many parents are there who use their kids to win fame and money. Is that what's behind this 13-year-old sailing round the world? Are her parents pushing her to do something that she's really afraid of but can't admit it? Do we know?
i bet this kid is just a sailor who wants to do something and was spurred along by zac's trip-----
ross--i wish i had had that opportunity when i was a kid--i love the sea so much --but i had to raise a kid of my own for a bit of time---LOL---now i am one and run away from home a lot to go sail!!!!
i hope the girl has a great time on this trip of hers!!!!
 
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