Hello all, The kenyon model#206 Alcohol stoves, Can I use coleman fuel(white fuel) in these stoves? whats the differnce between the two fuels? I never had or operated one of these stoves before. I`m used to the camping stoves that coleman makes,They work the same just differnt fuel.I have a small hikers model that uses coleman fuel that also needs to be preheated to light. Any information would be great,Thanks,Chet
Kenyon Alcohol stoves
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Don't Do It !
Alcohol is much less volitile than white gas. The stoves that use alcohol were designed for alcohol's lower evaopartion rate. White gas will either flareup or generate explosive vapors. Neither outcomes are positive. If cost and availability are the issue, try your local hardware store for alcohol, but be aware that stuff was designed for cleaning and paint thinning, it may burn with an odor.
Alcohol is much less volitile than white gas. The stoves that use alcohol were designed for alcohol's lower evaopartion rate. White gas will either flareup or generate explosive vapors. Neither outcomes are positive. If cost and availability are the issue, try your local hardware store for alcohol, but be aware that stuff was designed for cleaning and paint thinning, it may burn with an odor.
I am echoing Dave, but louder....
NO NO NO !!! Alcohol stoves use alcohol, coleman stoves use white gas. Both do what they do well, but the fuels are NOT interchangeable (sp). If your boat has an alcohol stove buy alcohol. It's really that simple.
NO NO NO !!! Alcohol stoves use alcohol, coleman stoves use white gas. Both do what they do well, but the fuels are NOT interchangeable (sp). If your boat has an alcohol stove buy alcohol. It's really that simple.
I didn`t know that,
Ok, thank you , I didn`t know that , thanks for the help. guess it good I asked first before trying the coleman fuel. I`ll buy the alcohol for in it. your saying the alcohol may burn with an odor? thanks again, chet
Ok, thank you , I didn`t know that , thanks for the help. guess it good I asked first before trying the coleman fuel. I`ll buy the alcohol for in it. your saying the alcohol may burn with an odor? thanks again, chet
Alcohol stove fuel will burn fine and odor-free...
'ol Dave was referring to the odor you might get if you use any other type of alchohol. Here's a good one: WM sells Origo 'Soot-free Stove Alcohol' for quart $19.49 gallon $20.79 I wonder if they sell many quarts? (only to stink-potters, of course ;D) We've got a gallon that came with the boat and it's lasted 2 years - we do a lot more grilling than stove cooking.
Also, I'd suspect that an RV store might sell the same stuff cheaper. Below is a link to the owner's manual for what I presume is your stove. Happy cooking! Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
'ol Dave was referring to the odor you might get if you use any other type of alchohol. Here's a good one: WM sells Origo 'Soot-free Stove Alcohol' for quart $19.49 gallon $20.79 I wonder if they sell many quarts? (only to stink-potters, of course ;D) We've got a gallon that came with the boat and it's lasted 2 years - we do a lot more grilling than stove cooking.
Also, I'd suspect that an RV store might sell the same stuff cheaper. Below is a link to the owner's manual for what I presume is your stove. Happy cooking! Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
Coleman fuel is......
Coleman fuel is what we used to call 'white gas' which is UNLEADED GASOLINE. Alcohol when pressurized will make a 'poof' sound when lit. When gasoline is pressurized and vaporized it will make a 'ka-freaking BOOM ' sound. After you hear that sound, you will then hear the pleasant sound of harps. I recently bought a gallon of Denatured Alcohol which is stove fuel for $7.99 at a TruValue hardware store. The odor is barely noticable when i ignite the stove (and alcohol stoves 'do' ignite) and i kinda like the sweet smell of the alcohol, then again, i also like the smell of laquer thinner, aviation fuel, and....... Tony B
Coleman fuel is what we used to call 'white gas' which is UNLEADED GASOLINE. Alcohol when pressurized will make a 'poof' sound when lit. When gasoline is pressurized and vaporized it will make a 'ka-freaking BOOM ' sound. After you hear that sound, you will then hear the pleasant sound of harps. I recently bought a gallon of Denatured Alcohol which is stove fuel for $7.99 at a TruValue hardware store. The odor is barely noticable when i ignite the stove (and alcohol stoves 'do' ignite) and i kinda like the sweet smell of the alcohol, then again, i also like the smell of laquer thinner, aviation fuel, and....... Tony B
Ummmm, Ross.....
I'm sure 'he' kept her warm at night, but I can't imagine that stove was very good at opening doors for her...... and I bet 'he' forgot Valentine's Day, too! Couldn't resist. ;D Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
I'm sure 'he' kept her warm at night, but I can't imagine that stove was very good at opening doors for her...... and I bet 'he' forgot Valentine's Day, too! Couldn't resist. ;D Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
Walgreens or CVS
You can also use 91% isopropyl alcohol from the local pharmacy. Cost around a dollar a quart and burns just fine.
You can also use 91% isopropyl alcohol from the local pharmacy. Cost around a dollar a quart and burns just fine.
Chet...
...here is a GREAT site for the stoves, it is a forum similar to this one, they love to talk about the stoves and give good advice too! I am also adding the Kenyon site address. They sent me the manual for mine by e-mail...free...and it's a 30 plus year old stove! Hope it helps! Jack http://www.spiritburner.com/forum/ http://www.kenyonappliances.com/index.html
...here is a GREAT site for the stoves, it is a forum similar to this one, they love to talk about the stoves and give good advice too! I am also adding the Kenyon site address. They sent me the manual for mine by e-mail...free...and it's a 30 plus year old stove! Hope it helps! Jack http://www.spiritburner.com/forum/ http://www.kenyonappliances.com/index.html
Thanks to you all that replyed
...I got a gallon at my hardware store today,Alochol that is,cost me $11.68, got home and put some fuel in it, only to find out the pump didn`t work so well, so i took that out cleaned the rubber gasket put alittle oil on it.Then I could get it to build pressure,so I was then able to preheat the generators. They both lit up , but not really that good, I couldn`t get them to burn a full blue flame. I think both burners need new generators,unless someone know how I can clean them myself ? And is there a website that sells replacement parts? I think the pump plunger should be replaced. would like to find a lid for it to. Thanks, chet
...I got a gallon at my hardware store today,Alochol that is,cost me $11.68, got home and put some fuel in it, only to find out the pump didn`t work so well, so i took that out cleaned the rubber gasket put alittle oil on it.Then I could get it to build pressure,so I was then able to preheat the generators. They both lit up , but not really that good, I couldn`t get them to burn a full blue flame. I think both burners need new generators,unless someone know how I can clean them myself ? And is there a website that sells replacement parts? I think the pump plunger should be replaced. would like to find a lid for it to. Thanks, chet
jackhartjr.....
hey thanks alot . thats what I needed , there website. hopefuly I can get those parts now. thanks again, chet
hey thanks alot . thats what I needed , there website. hopefuly I can get those parts now. thanks again, chet
Stove alcohol
NO to Coleman...Yes to shellac thinner/solvent alcohol. We've used denatured alcohol from the hardware store, but the chemistry in the shellac thinner/solvent alcohol produces a hotter, cleaner burning flame. If you check the archives, all alcohol is not alike and offers different chemical properties. I wasn't aware of the differences until I followed the alcohol stove fuel discussion in this forum.
NO to Coleman...Yes to shellac thinner/solvent alcohol. We've used denatured alcohol from the hardware store, but the chemistry in the shellac thinner/solvent alcohol produces a hotter, cleaner burning flame. If you check the archives, all alcohol is not alike and offers different chemical properties. I wasn't aware of the differences until I followed the alcohol stove fuel discussion in this forum.
Correction
I stand corrected, Shellac thinner/solvent alcohol is denatured alcohol. I hope this helps clarify.
I stand corrected, Shellac thinner/solvent alcohol is denatured alcohol. I hope this helps clarify.
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preheat/prime alcohol stoves
Pressurized alcohol stoves need to be preheated, often twice, before the generator is hot enought to vaporize the fuel. Pre heat it by either opening the nozzel and letting a bit of fuel spill into the priming pan before lighting the fuel. Keep the nozzel closed. When the priming pan fuel burn out, open the nozzel again and fill the pan a second time. Close the nozzel and light the fuel in the priming pan, when it is almost out, slowly open the nozzel. The stove should now burn with a nice blue flame. You can also use a priming paste(camping stores) to preheat the generator.
Pressurized alcohol stoves need to be preheated, often twice, before the generator is hot enought to vaporize the fuel. Pre heat it by either opening the nozzel and letting a bit of fuel spill into the priming pan before lighting the fuel. Keep the nozzel closed. When the priming pan fuel burn out, open the nozzel again and fill the pan a second time. Close the nozzel and light the fuel in the priming pan, when it is almost out, slowly open the nozzel. The stove should now burn with a nice blue flame. You can also use a priming paste(camping stores) to preheat the generator.
Chet
Before you invest any more money in your alcohol stove, you ought to consider replacing ir with a propane stove, which in my opinion is much much safer. As for your problem with pre-heating, you may not really have one. I have a pressurized alcohol stove/oven which is slated for replacement as my first major upgrade. Anyway, here is the procedure I use to light stove: 1). Put pressure in stove, in your case - pump it up, mine has a 12V pump, but same principle. 2). Open burner and count to five, then close burner. 3). Light burner and make sure anything above is 2 to 3 feet away, pucker your butt, hold you breath but dont worry, THIS IN NORMAL for pressurized alcohol stove. 4). I set egg timer for 3 mins. If still lighted open burner for count of 3, then close again. If not lit, still open burner for count of five and close again and relight. 5). Set egg timer for 2 more mins. By this time, the burners ought to be hot enough to vaporize the alcohol. 6) When egg timer 'dings', slowly open burner and you will hear a hissing sound from the vaporized alcohol and the flame should be about right. It will probably scare the hell out of your significant other. Some sailors consider this safer than propane, I certainly dont. Its like setting your boat on fire temporarily just to be able to cook. I got used to it only because it was on the boat when I bought it. GF refuses to light it, but she never had a problem with propane stove/oven on other boat because it worked similar to the one in your house. The only advantage I have found with alcohol is better control in the low heat range as in making rice or grits, yes grits, and thats from a Brooklyn boy. Tony B
Before you invest any more money in your alcohol stove, you ought to consider replacing ir with a propane stove, which in my opinion is much much safer. As for your problem with pre-heating, you may not really have one. I have a pressurized alcohol stove/oven which is slated for replacement as my first major upgrade. Anyway, here is the procedure I use to light stove: 1). Put pressure in stove, in your case - pump it up, mine has a 12V pump, but same principle. 2). Open burner and count to five, then close burner. 3). Light burner and make sure anything above is 2 to 3 feet away, pucker your butt, hold you breath but dont worry, THIS IN NORMAL for pressurized alcohol stove. 4). I set egg timer for 3 mins. If still lighted open burner for count of 3, then close again. If not lit, still open burner for count of five and close again and relight. 5). Set egg timer for 2 more mins. By this time, the burners ought to be hot enough to vaporize the alcohol. 6) When egg timer 'dings', slowly open burner and you will hear a hissing sound from the vaporized alcohol and the flame should be about right. It will probably scare the hell out of your significant other. Some sailors consider this safer than propane, I certainly dont. Its like setting your boat on fire temporarily just to be able to cook. I got used to it only because it was on the boat when I bought it. GF refuses to light it, but she never had a problem with propane stove/oven on other boat because it worked similar to the one in your house. The only advantage I have found with alcohol is better control in the low heat range as in making rice or grits, yes grits, and thats from a Brooklyn boy. Tony B
Hand held Propane torch
Our boat has an alcohol stove. It works pretty well if you nurse it along. The colder the temperature the more fussy it can be. But the best way that I know of to light one is with a small bottle of propane. Light the propane torch and heat up the burner that you want to light. This heating shouldn't take more than a minute or so and I'm not talking red hot just hot enough to vaporize alcohol. Then open the valve to let in alcohol without taking the propane flame off of the burner. That way the flame lights the alcohol as it comes out. There is no chance of flareup. My wife had some major flareups with our alcohol stove. The usual problem was that she left the valve open until she saw alcohol. By then there was too much in the system. Two weeks ago it was cold and I was hungry. By cold I mean about 35 degrees. Well she started the stove right up without the propane and we had hot soup. She knows the quirks of the stove and SHE doesn't want me to swap it out for propane. She had a flareup with a propane stove that burned her hair. I was out in the cockpit and heard a POOF. Personally I think that if you understand your alcohol stove it is safer than propane. But neither type of stove is idiot proof...only to be used with adult supervision.
Our boat has an alcohol stove. It works pretty well if you nurse it along. The colder the temperature the more fussy it can be. But the best way that I know of to light one is with a small bottle of propane. Light the propane torch and heat up the burner that you want to light. This heating shouldn't take more than a minute or so and I'm not talking red hot just hot enough to vaporize alcohol. Then open the valve to let in alcohol without taking the propane flame off of the burner. That way the flame lights the alcohol as it comes out. There is no chance of flareup. My wife had some major flareups with our alcohol stove. The usual problem was that she left the valve open until she saw alcohol. By then there was too much in the system. Two weeks ago it was cold and I was hungry. By cold I mean about 35 degrees. Well she started the stove right up without the propane and we had hot soup. She knows the quirks of the stove and SHE doesn't want me to swap it out for propane. She had a flareup with a propane stove that burned her hair. I was out in the cockpit and heard a POOF. Personally I think that if you understand your alcohol stove it is safer than propane. But neither type of stove is idiot proof...only to be used with adult supervision.
I know what those POOF's are like.
During my summer vacations in college I worked for an RV manufacturer. The people doing final inspection were in the habit of checking the gas line connections with a match. Not a good idea, but at the factory, the trailers and pickup campers were not full of anything and everyone knew where the connections were. One day I was working in the department just next to the final inspection area and one of them was checking the connections. All of a sudden there as a POOF..and I mean a big one. The guy came out of the trailer missing his eyebrows. Luckily it scared the crap out of him more than hurt him. We found the connection in the closet completely undone..someone forgot to hook it up. From that day forward the inspection was done with a spray bottle of soapy water. He and we got a good laugh out of it, but it could have been much much worse.
During my summer vacations in college I worked for an RV manufacturer. The people doing final inspection were in the habit of checking the gas line connections with a match. Not a good idea, but at the factory, the trailers and pickup campers were not full of anything and everyone knew where the connections were. One day I was working in the department just next to the final inspection area and one of them was checking the connections. All of a sudden there as a POOF..and I mean a big one. The guy came out of the trailer missing his eyebrows. Luckily it scared the crap out of him more than hurt him. We found the connection in the closet completely undone..someone forgot to hook it up. From that day forward the inspection was done with a spray bottle of soapy water. He and we got a good laugh out of it, but it could have been much much worse.
Tom....
So, do you know of any male sailors that qualify to provide "adult supervision"? Have a nice day Tony B
So, do you know of any male sailors that qualify to provide "adult supervision"? Have a nice day Tony B
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