Keel Separation

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Dec 25, 2000
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Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Andrew, depending on the size of your...

boat and type of keel (bulb vs fin), if you can raise it high enough above the keel so that you can clean the entire keel and stub joint, it appears you can do it yourself. Also, build a temporary support out of lumber for your keel so that it remains stationary while you raise your boat. Our yard had to grind away the old epoxy sealant as part of the cleaning process. Terry
 
Jan 22, 2003
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Hunter 25_73-83 Burlington NJ
JC's resume (sad to say)

For the interested (and certainly not to sound my horn except when I am under attack and it seems necessary): I've been active in and around the boatbuilding industry all my life (over 40 years). I grew up in sawdust and glue. I have done (professionally) EVERY single task that can be expected to be done in any reputable boatbuilding shop-- all office work, all levels of design and engineering, and all processes and installations. I was doing fiberglass work professionally at 15. At 16 I was a 'wunderkind' in the industry, having done bona-fide and crucial design work for Hunter and my dad's company. I built the first Cherubini 48 (the only guy who worked full-time on it). It was a WEST-system boat. At 20 I was being paid to evaluate components, usually to the breaking point, and recommend their adoption or rejection to Warren Luhrs, founder of Hunter Marine. Hunter adopted a lot of my ideas without paying me. So did Cherubini Boat. That's how it was. I now work as purchaser, designer and engineering consultant at Cherubini Yachts building what are arguably the finest handmade sailboats in the world. (See printed works.) I've seen more failed hull-keel joints and other catastrophic construction failures done by other less knowledgeable boatbuilders or repairers than most people on here put together. A lot of it was due to people who stubbornly believed they had all the answers when in fact they didn't. In fact that is also the number-one cause of boating accidents, especially serious ones. I have consulted with the Gougeon brothers personally and, with my father, was part of pushing Hunter to first adopt WEST epoxy systems in their construction (my '74 had none in it; it does now). At no time was there any discussion by them or the Gougeons that WEST system should or could replace 5200 in the things 5200 was already best for. As to the point here-- with all (and I have much) due respect to the Gougeon brothers, they sell a product and have an intrinsic motivation to get people to buy and use it. Fortunately, it's a very good product for its intended applications. With all due respect to everyone else, the average Catalina/Hunter/Beneteau owner can't afford our shop and expertise fees. So I offer my expertise here without remuneration because I respect Phil and what he is doing and because I want people who know less than I do, maybe only because they have less experience at it, to benefit from a lifetime in the boatbuilding industry. If there is anyone here who is a better qualified resource to advise I will happily step aside and shut up. That said-- 5200 is by far the industry standard for fastening lead keels to fiberglass hulls, and for a reason. If you choose not to agree with this fact, that's up to you. I am not the facts; the facts have nothing to do with me. I'm just saying what I know to be fact-- having no incentive to say otherwise. J Cherubini II www.cherubiniyachts.com
 
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Karen

Separating Keel

I bought a Catalina 27 that lost it's rudder and ran aground. the keel was separated slightly and the keel bolts very desintegrated. I painstakingly removed the nuts and washers, snugged up the keel (after grinding away the loose fairing down to the lead and glass) (wear a respirator). Snugged up the bolts as far as possible (had to use a lead pipe extension to get enough torque). THEN, I 4 layers of glass with a matt/rovening combination (don't know it's formal name but it's great stuff) and overlapped the joint by about 20" on each side of the joint. Sailed all summer. Will haul soon to inspect the work. That was brief synopsis. I must admit I was coached by a friend of my 'Josh' Johnson, Naval Architect (I can't spell anymore) who is THE boat guy in Tidewater. I would also look for spidering aft of the keel and grind, putty and glass for and aft of the keel wear there is damage to reinforce the structure. Who wants a keel to fall off when your heeled at 15 degrees! Good Luck.
 
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