Interior Teak Cleaning

Mar 23, 2011
30
Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
Argyle has a teak post that sort of supports a portion of cabin trunk overhead and also supports the aft end of the saloon table. The post has the typical decorative shapes carved in to it, as if patterned on a lathe. From it's location, it's used as a handhold as you pass through the cabin and because of that, there is quite a build up of black grime in the mid section of the post, right at about hand level.

I've removed the post from the boat and it is at home for the winter. I want to clean it up, basically down to bare wood, then oil and varnish it. The post is not varnished. It looks like it was stained and oiled and that's it.

What is the best way clean up the years of oil and dirt that has built up on the middle portion of this piece, without damaging the wood?

Thanks,

Argyle
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,158
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
I've removed the post from the boat and it is at home for the winter. I want to clean it up, basically down to bare wood,then oil and varnish it. The post is not varnished. It looks like it was stained and oiled and that's it.
Cleaning may be a bit of a bugger due to the uneven surface. On flat surfaces, sanding using #600 wet/dry paper soaked in teak oil produces a nice clean oiled finish.

The one thing you don't want to do is to varnish over oil as the varnish won't hold.

From the hand contact this piece gets, it sounds as if varnish is the preferred finish if there is someway to get it to a clean dry surface. If you do go with varnish, wash the wood with lacquer thinner before varnishing to get rid of the natural teak oil.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
clean it with a soft scrub brush and LA's totally awsum rinse with clean water then use denatured alcohol to dry it out ....

regards

woody
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I have had good results with a 2 part teak cleaner/brightener using a soft scrub brush. I have tons of interior teak to clean on my project boat. Problem is the PO did the teak oil and varnish thing and looks like crap. I plan on scrapping most of the varnish off and use a mild citrus type varnish remover for the spots I can't get to. I will then use the 2 part cleaner/brightener. I like teak a natural golden color so I don't plan on using oil....just a clear varnish.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Argyle,

There are many ways to strip and varnish teak.
And many work well however, you don't oil & then paint. You can add varnish on top of
older varnish coats but, oil & varnish do not mix.

First you strip the wood bare. There are many wood strippers out there & many work.
I have been using Snappy Teak for over 20 yrs. A little harder to find (I order online).
I think this is the best 2-part Stripper for teak. Your Teak will look like sandlewood when finished dry.

Then, just follow sanding & varnish instructions that step by step will give you the shiny
look you're after. Laying up varnish on bare sanded teak is almost as good as sex when properly cleaned & prepped.

CR
 
Mar 23, 2011
30
Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
Thanks for the replies! The snappy teak looks like it might be good stuff, I need more teak cleaner anyway so I think I'll give that a try. I might also try the LA's Awesome cleaner if I can find it locally. The big thing first off is just getting rid of the grime without sanding.

A lot of comments about my mentioning oil. It seems as if it's almost religion that you don't put on a coating after oiling teak. I've done this several times to good effect. Never had any problems. Maybe the problem is that some people try to oil the wood and apply the first coat of varnish on the same day. I could see that being a problem.

What I typically do, when I want the darker look that you get with oiled wood, is apply two or three applications of teak oil, each at least a day apart after sanding. Then wait another one or two days (or more) before applying the first coat of varnish. Before the first coat, I wipe down the wood with a dry, lint free cloth. This is mostly to clear of any debris that may have settled on the wood, because at this point the wood is dry. Any oil has been absorbed. I have never noticed any varnish not sticking to the wood.

Another thing, tung oil is a component of both teak oil and varnish (natural varnishes anyway). I don't see why they would be terribly incompatible.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
If it works for you then that's great. Just saying if I went the teak oil route I would only stick with teak oil. Easier to clean and reapply without dealing with a coat of varnish every time. My varnish coated teak oil pieces look hideous....very spotty looking and not a uniform color.
 

Jeff

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Sep 29, 2008
195
Hunter 33.5 Carlyle Lake in Central Illinois
I have not personally used either of these methods yet but have seen the finished result. Ammonia and very fine steel wool or Greased Lightening (kitchen type cleaner)and lots of paper towels. Both sailors report that they stripped oil and dirt from unvarnished teak very well. Of course testing in a small area first is prudent.
 
Mar 23, 2011
30
Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
If it works for you then that's great. Just saying if I went the teak oil route I would only stick with teak oil. Easier to clean and reapply without dealing with a coat of varnish every time. My varnish coated teak oil pieces look hideous....very spotty looking and not a uniform color.

I wouldn't do oil only on this particular piece. It gets touched too much, being a common hand hold in the middle of the cabin. I do like the oiled only look, but I reserve that for interior stuff that is not routinely touched. If it gets touched a lot, I like varnish better, easier to clean.

Spotty looking, eh. Would you say that the spotty looking wood is very obvious or is it something that you would have to point out? Nothing at all wrong with wanting your interior wood to look perfect, mind you. Maybe I'm not seeing the imperfections that you are, or I don't notice them as such. Or maybe it is something to do with the PO's original treatment of the wood other than using oil. I've seen, for instance, very uneven finishes when the previous varnish was not removed well.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Argyle has a teak post that sort of supports a portion of cabin trunk overhead and also supports the aft end of the saloon table. The post has the typical decorative shapes carved in to it, as if patterned on a lathe. From it's location, it's used as a handhold as you pass through the cabin and because of that, there is quite a build up of black grime in the mid section of the post, right at about hand level.

I've removed the post from the boat and it is at home for the winter. I want to clean it up, basically down to bare wood, then oil and varnish it. The post is not varnished. It looks like it was stained and oiled and that's it.

What is the best way clean up the years of oil and dirt that has built up on the middle portion of this piece, without damaging the wood?

Thanks,

Argyle
Here is a nice article by Don Casey that pretty well covers it.
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I think from Ron's post, he has some very nice teak in his boat.:D

Woodster hit it though. If my work doesn't have me on a diesel, the varnish and teak cleaning, brightworks, etc. is where I go. The question seemed to be, (unless I got lost somewhere), about cleaning grungy bare teak. So yes, the stuff called LA's Totally Awesome Cleaner is my go too. No bs, I'll bet I've used several hundred gallons of this stuff. I keep a gallon or so in my work truck at all times for greasy cleaning jobs, and it will work here as well. Simple Green, Green Monster, Purple Power, most of these chemicals seem to operate the same, and one time years ago I actually saw a fellow at a small chem company mix Drano and purple KoolAid in a drum and called it purple cleaner. Anyway, degrease it. Stains from humans are particularly insidious, nasty ass people that we are, makes the grime a tough nut. But repeated applications with Awesome will get it. (Oh yeah, I have tried every cleaner it seems known to man, and keep ending back up with Awesome in short order).
Then get the black out of it. As good as bleach is at, well, bleaching; it doesn't really work on teak as good as other things. So the ammonia. mix it abot 50/50 with water, put a kerchief over your head like Aunt Jemima, and go scrubbing. Gently. Contrary to what you might be thinking, but across the grain, not with it. With a very soft brush. Think about sex again here, easy mate. Enough of this and the teak will be clean. If you start considering two part teak cleaners, yes they work well. But DAMN what a mess. It really ain't worth it inside.

On oils and varnish. First off, linseed oil is garbage. Throw it away immediately. Tung oil is what you want, and actually all I use is Daly's. Daly's is a little high in the varnish department, and I love the stuff. You're thinking oil, varnish, huh? All good varnish has oil in it. Most good teak oils have varnish in them as well. Varnish is not a new thing, Egyptians were using it 6000 years ago. Same stuff. With some snake oil UV crap in it.:D
What I'm getting at is putting quality varnish on an oiled piece of teak will not hurt it, quite the contrary. After the oil has sat in the wood for awhile, wiping a rag soaked with acetone will flash out the surface oil, and allow the varnish to penetrate, the same varnish that you cut your first coat 50/50 with. You ARE going to cut the first coat of varnish aren't you? Every single brightworks project I have done with the exception of ONE boat that was done 'professionally', the varnish had literally fell off of the boat. The reason is always in the prep, despite the poor owner describing how he sat up nights, sweating BLOOD putting the wonderful stuff on just to watch it fall back off. Every single damn one of them as Samuel Jackson got away with saying a few times. If you do not thin the first coat of varnish; do nature, the wife, the kids, your sanity, the neighbors, everybody a favor and go buy a brand new can of varnish and drop it in the trash on the way out the door. It's basically where it's going to end up anyway, and save the brushes and your time.

(And cetol is not varnish. It is a translucent paint, that sort of resembles varnish that won't fool the varnisher for a microsecond. I can spot it across the marina. It might in actuality be the alternative to the madness of the varnish, but it ain't varnish).
 
Nov 18, 2013
54
Oday 32 Ketch North Fort Myers, FL
I am well known for using methods that I felt comfortable with from my years restoring fine antique furniture. My go to cleaner has always been naptha (common lighter fluid). It doesn't affect the finish but removes all the grime and oils that are on the finish. I personally like three or four applications of tung oil followed by finishing wax. On pieces that are removed from the boat and finished at home, I use 4/0 steel wool to wax and hand rub the wood. The wax protects the surface and touch-up is a simple matter of reoiling and another wax coat. If you use steel wool ( the finish becomes smooth as a baby's bottom!) be sure to remove all traces of the steel wool to avoid rust when back on the boat.
Good luck, Darrell
 
Mar 11, 2013
57
S2 9.2 Port Washington, WI
Hi, I'm redoing the interior of my '85' S2 sailboat and the teak which is near the entry way appears "washed out" from years of sun peaking into the cabin. I suppose I could use the conventional teak cleaner/brightener approach - though that will surely be messy for interior work and I fear getting such harsh chemicals near my upholstery. Any suggestions on how to brighten up the teak before applying tung oil? Would lighter fluid be the right answer? Also, what brand wax do you use? Paste? Liquid? Thanks! Don
 
Mar 11, 2013
57
S2 9.2 Port Washington, WI
LA's totally awsome rinse?

clean it with a soft scrub brush and LA's totally awsum rinse with clean water then use denatured alcohol to dry it out ....

regards

woody
HI Woody, what is LA's totally awesome rinse - I have interior teak which I'm attempting to bring back to bright/fresh. A lot of my entryway teak is dull/gray from years of exposure to sun....it's not the type of gray which teak gets from exterior weather...so, I'm trying to figure out if I should use the two part cleaner kits or if I need to sand it? The steps seem particularly washed out...what to do to bring it back? I'd prefer to finish the job with an oil...many people mention tung oil....is that the answer?

You may recall that we had some dialog on redoing my interior floor...whew, what a project! I have a local wood working shop cutting my new teak and holly plywood to shape and am planning on varnishing the cut floor before re-inserting it. With the terrible tough time in removing the original floor, I'm wondering if I should just nail down the new floor - vs gluing it all down as was done originally. Hmmm, am in grid lock! Don
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
HI Woody, what is LA's totally awesome rinse - I have interior teak which I'm attempting to bring back to bright/fresh. A lot of my entryway teak is dull/gray from years of exposure to sun....it's not the type of gray which teak gets from exterior weather...so, I'm trying to figure out if I should use the two part cleaner kits or if I need to sand it? The steps seem particularly washed out...what to do to bring it back? I'd prefer to finish the job with an oil...many people mention tung oil....is that the answer?

You may recall that we had some dialog on redoing my interior floor...whew, what a project! I have a local wood working shop cutting my new teak and holly plywood to shape and am planning on varnishing the cut floor before re-inserting it. With the terrible tough time in removing the original floor, I'm wondering if I should just nail down the new floor - vs gluing it all down as was done originally. Hmmm, am in grid lock! Don
make sure they index the holly stripes so you have a straight line running fore and aft

as far as putting your new floor down its better to glue it down...DO NOT USE NAILS ...i just installed my new teak and holly this past month some say use 4200 by 3M but i used a lock-tite adhesive called PL construction adhesive its a urithaine based product ( do not even let them talk you in to Liquid Nails for any reason)...use a serrated trowel to spread it in order to get an even coverage and make sure you roll it with a rubber laminate roller to insure a good bond the way the cabinet guys apply formica....on a side note be prepared to work your self in a corner and make sure you dry fit it a couple of times just to be sure it fits good ...because when you lay it down with adhesive on you are totally committed no turning back lots of dry practice is in order hear this stuff is to expensive not to be well prepared and make sure your surface is clean and dust free.....

its best to have a competent helper when you install i did mine alone but this is not for everyone ware socks when doing this and keep an extra pair handy just in case you get the glue on your feet and keep lots of rags handy and some WD-40 if you use the lock tite for clean up

as far as Totally Aw-sum you can get it at wally world or the dollar store ...just spray it on and let it soak a little while and then take a bristle brush and scrub like a hand brush for fingernails ...then rinse it off...your results may vary but keep at it and you will win the battle...then sand it with 120 or 150 grit paper or a sanding sponge ...remove the sanding dust and put on Watco teak oil not tung oil its about 10 dollars a qt at the big box stores

it will be interesting to see how the pre finished materiel comes out ...i used a water base floor urithaine about 5 coats with a sanding sealer water based
 

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Mar 11, 2013
57
S2 9.2 Port Washington, WI
Hi Woody, wow, incredible looking floor! :)

Questions:

1. Did you apply the adhesive to both (floor and underside of plywood)? Or just to the floor? I can't even see the seam for the two pieces of plywood....you have done a great job!
2. Did you apply the varnish before installing the teak and holly flooring? If you applied it before you laid it down, how did you get such a tight/un noticeable seam running down the middle? I was going to apply varnish to the edges and if I do, the seam will surely show...right?
3. Would you use the same varnish, again? I'm really concerned about the water seeping in through the edges of the plywood since that is what happened to the original flooring - discoloring it to the point where I couldn't bring it back by bleaching it.

I'll try to remember to send you photos as the work is completed....many thanks for the help along the way....Don