Hunters 'creampuffs' and other pretty faces....;-)

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Cap't Ron

main sale, did you read that post through? Why did that hunters rudder fall off, must have been some other rationalization, if not you'll think of one.
That post had JUST come in today, a person here (at least allegedly) wanted info for comparison? After reading the posts though he just wanted folks to say what he wanted to hear, and you did.

I would not say you have a huge ego here, then I didn't know Napoleon Bonapart either.You sound like you know boats, and you have many go along with you, but it is just business isn't it?

If you would read and comprehend before shooting off with a trigger finger....;-) you would see that I wrote, "Hunters are eyepleasers, and a good bay boat."
How many Hunters have you sailed on main? No, don't mean your many mags, books and trips to the boat-shows.

The first time I sailed on one, thought it was a great boat, sure was pretty and sailed well too.When you have been sailing as long as I have....you are not looking for a pretty face....;-) naw that was over by the time I reached thirty mate;
FUNCTION AND SEAWORTHY.Words, yes, mean different things to different folks, but I am very definite what they mean to me.

I can send many, many problems that are found with the Hunter sailboat, but this one here where it sank had just come across my desk here.
Not only did a hunter lose its keel bolts 1/2 way from Newport Beach to Hawaii on us and nearly killed the crew, she was giving us lots of grief before that, power, engine, bilge pump, fresh water pump and the head.This yacht was beautiful and only three years old! In her defense and folks are always DEFENDING Hunters, whe had been in charter service for the last two years, sold cheaply and had a broker-friendly survey performed to push the deal through + we ended up having one day for the off-shore delivery and leave soon after.

I have lots of awful stories of Hunters over the years, use to be a power boat company then wanted into the yuppie market, so, ALL BUSINESS.
Made for cocktails at the dockside, a bit of a sail, impress friends, a purfect boat for you mane.

Strange that these Hunters, 1980 - 1985 37 ft; sell for about the same as a Hans Christian same year & length, now why do you suppose that is?
 
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TOTAL NUMBER OF SOLD BOATS: 312,095






Selected Search Criteria:
Mfgr/Model : Hunter (7564)
Boat Type : [(Sail) Cruiser/Racer] (24908)
Length: Between 34 ft and 37 ft (47344)
Year: Between 1980 and 1985 (41149)
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Boats Year Listed US$ Sold US$ Location YachtWorld Member
37' Hunter 1985 54,950 (06/02) 52,000 (07/02) USA Farallone Ya...
37' Hunter 1984 35,000 (01/08) 34,000 (07/08) FL, USA Bill Brownin...
37' Hunter 1983 71,000 (08/99) 71,000 (11/99) FL, USA
37' Hunter 1981 44,900 (11/00) 40,200 (05/01) RI, USA Eastern Yach...
37' Hunter 1980 45,000 (08/07) 37,000 (10/07) MD, USA Integrity Ya...
37' Hunter 1980 24,000 (10/02) 25,000 (04/03) GA, USA Snug Harbor ...
37' Hunter 37 1982 39,900 (06/03) 37,500 (09/03) CA, USA
37' Hunter Aft. ... 1985 30,000 (04/06) 27,000 (09/06) MD, USA Integrity Ya...
37' Hunter Cheru... 1984 29,900 (03/08) 29,000 (04/08) FL, USA Yacht Masters
37' Hunter Cheru... 1984 39,000 (03/07) 29,000 (08/07) CA, USA Charlotte Sc...
37' Hunter Cheru... 1983 45,500 (06/07) 41,500 (08/07) CA, USA Bay Island Y...
37' Hunter Cheru... 1982 43,000 (04/03) 37,000 (10/03) TX, USA Higgins, Smy...
37' Hunter Cheru... 1981 39,900 (05/07) 35,000 (09/07) NC, USA Neptune Yach...
37' Hunter Cheru... 1980 37,500 (04/08) 31,000 (07/08) NC, USA Harbor Yachts
37' HUNTER Cutter 1985 44,900 (05/99) 40,000 (03/00) WA, USA Signature Ya...
37' Hunter Cutter 1984 54,500 (05/01) 44,500 (08/01) WA, USA Alliance Yac...
37' Hunter Cutter 1984 49,900 (05/00) 45,000 (11/00) TX, USA Mustang Isla...
37' Hunter Cutter 1984 40,495 (10/02) 31,500 (01/06) CT, USA Spicer's Bro...
37' Hunter Cutter 1982 35,000 (11/00) 34,000 (04/01) FL, USA
37' Hunter Cutte... 1984 42,500 (10/00) 38,500 (01/02) FL, USA Flagship Yac...
37' Hunter Cutte... 1981 29,500 (08/06) 27,000 (10/06) MD, USA Great Blue Y...
37' Hunter Cutte... 1984 29,900 (06/07) 16,000 (07/07) NY, USA Long Island ...
37' Hunter Cutte... 1982 29,900 (06/06) 28,000 (07/07) CA, USA Corinthian Y...
37' Hunter Cutte... 1980 39,000 (05/00) 26,000 (06/01) NC, USA Carolina Win...
37' Hunter Cutte... 1980 34,900 (10/04) 32,500 (10/05) Mexico San Carlos Y...
37' Hunter Hunte... 1982 44,000 (05/00) 40,000 (09/00) NC, USA St. Barts Ya...
37' Hunter Hunte... 1981 36,900 (09/00) 34,000 (07/02) WA, USA S A S Yachts
37' Hunter Sailboat 1983 34,900 (10/98) 30,000 (01/00) FL, USA Flagship Yac...
37' Hunter Sailb... 1981 34,000 (08/99) 28,000 (01/00) FL, USA Flagship Yac...
37' Hunter Sloop 1982 31,900 (10/07) 25,000 (01/08) Boat was let go on cosmetics to a deplorable condition. Could hardly move in boat due to "junk"/"stuff". Stanchion broken, 200 dirtdobber nests in sail, needing major clean up and removal of human waste in head --- ridiculous !!!! Should have sold fo MS, USA Rooke Sails

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TOTAL NUMBER OF SOLD BOATS: 312,095






Selected Search Criteria:
Mfgr/Model : Hans Christian (385)
Boat Type : [(Sail) Cruiser] (77479)
Length: Between 34 ft and 37 ft (47344)
Year: Between 1980 and 1985 (41149)
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37' Hans Christi... 1980 69,900 (10/07) 65,000 (04/08) Guatemala Guatemala Ya...
36' Hans Christi... 1985 49,900 (06/04) 44,000 (02/08) She needed work but was still sailing well. CA, USA P/S Yacht & ...
36' MAO TA Copy ... 1981 69,900 (09/01) 50,000 (10/01) FL, USA U.S. Yacht B...
34' Hans Christian 1980 107,877 (10/05) 107,877 (11/05) BC, Can Vela Yacht ...
34' Hans Christi... 1980 77,500 (11/04) 77,000 (02/05) CA, USA Premier Yach...
34' Hans Christi... 1985 79,500 (11/06) 70,000 (03/08) Lucky buyer got a beauty for the price of a loaf of bread. St. Maarten/St. Martin The Little S...

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r.w.landau

Cap't Ron, The responce you posted indicated that maintenance is

an issue. I have to say that I recently challenged Maine Sails background.
I have been on boats before I was one. I have worked on many boats. I have to say that Maine Sail gave me a resume that blew me out of the water. He has my respect...
He is a one of a kind type of guy. He also shoots at facts and almost always takes the time to completely, did I say COMPLETELY explain so that there is no chance you miss understood what he said.
Cap't Ron, are all the boats you posted well maintained? It could have been any boat that was not maintained.
r.w.landau
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
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other 12 wet water
I' notm not sure and should probably

be writing this, but I feel compelled to say something. From what I understand (which is not too, too much) a guy was looking for a boat and there were several responses. Some one had a bad experience with a specific brand and mentioned the problem and made clear their bias (more like contempt) for this brand. Thats fine and understandable. I would want to know everything about every boat out there also. But there comes a point, where the point is being labored and intense and then it becomes a pissing contest. With name calling( miss spelling) and rude comments, none of which have anything to do with boats, and this is what it's all about. Boats. Not personnel experiences, but boats. All boats were made to float, some, better than others.If you want to blow your own horn or banter, there is a forum for that.

While we appreciate the advice, and knowledge that is shared, we also appreciate the information in a straight forward, format. We aren't looking for hostile or wrong information, just experiences and knowledge, that we can use and help us with our specific task.
Being one that has differences of opinions on this forum, I can appreciate the banter back and forth, it just doesn't belong on this side of the forum. If you wish to trade blows and talk in a derogatory manners it really belongs in the sails call lounge (the bilge, as we call it). Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
Keep it up,
Ctskip
 
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seadaddler

What You Like

I am thinking of upgrading to a new boat and want to
hear about all the great boats out there from very happy
owners,what size is best and what brand do you own.
I am looking for the perfect boat and I am retired so
go easy on the $$$$$.
Nick
 
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seadaddler

Lance

No I am not in Burnt Store yet.
My boat is still in Greenport,NY but will be sailing down
this fall and most likely docking in Burnt Store.
Nick
 
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Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
Seadaddler- I was just curious. I did a charter from S W

Florida Yachts last week. I know you had talked about Burnt Store in the past. There was a boat and slip with pilings just like your avatar and I thought it might be you. By the way, that is a GREAT place to sail out of. We did Cayo Costa, Boca Grande, Ussepa, it was very pretty. Sorry to blast this thread to shreds.
 
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seadaddler

Been Told

That's what I have been told and looking forward
to sailing around all the area you mentioned.
I was only trying to change things up and love my boat
and wife will kill me if I even kid around about a new boat.
Hope to meet up when I start sailing the west coast florida,
having fun up in new England,great sailing here also.
Nick
 
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Buck Harrison

Capt,

Just wondered if you read Phil Herring's post of 7/22/08 in "Ask A Hunter Owner".

Yup, Hunter's do indeed have their share of problems... just like everything that floats. MAYBE they are less seaworthy than some other boats. MAYBE more so than others...
Would I cross the North Atlantic in January on a Hunter... Nope... But, then, I wouldn't do it on a Hinkley or a Swan or a cruise ship, either.

After the open ocean experiences that I have had w/ my own 420, over the past 8 years, I would, like hundreds of others, cruise the tropics on any (over 40') Hunter with confidence, .... but, that's just MHO..
 
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Ross

Everybody who goes into business expects to make a profit.

Consider that all of the world renowned cruising boats under 30 are out of production now. The Flicka's, the Pacific Seacrafts , Island Packets, Southern Cross, Morris Yachts, Contessas', Albergs' and dozens of others, all gone, Only to be found in the used market. You simply can't build an exceptional boat under 30 feet and sell it at a profit in todays market. Try to find a new in production pocket cruiser today.
 
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I invite ....

Hi Guys,

I invite anyone who's interested to read the thread in question. http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?&fno=441&uid=73269937819&sku=2008203064043.75 I'll let you guys decide if Cap't Ron's personal attack on me is warranted or not.

Cap't Ron's dislike for Hunter's (WHICH IS 100% UNDERSTANDABLE IN HIS CASE) is now spilling over into personal attacks on posters who even try to mention to a potential buyer: "Don't totally rule out Hunters they may fit your specific use.."


Please do take the time to read the thread at "Related Link". I'll let you decide if this personal attack is even remotely legit..




P.S. Ron I did read that thread and did read about the rudder failure, that you posted, but decided to stay away from any conjecture, on a rudder failure, on a previously sunk boat, that had been rebuilt, as there may have been un-seen damage to the rudder in the sinking that was not caught in the rebuild.

Who knows maybe it WAS a design flaw? Neither I, nor you, know all the facts so any "guessing" is just that "guessing".

As I have said losing a rudder, keel, chainplate etc. is inexcusable but it's clearly not the norm for the thousands of Hunters currently sailing the waters. Do Hunters have issues, yes, as do many boats including very expensive ones, but my posts were in the context of the posters stated use.

Would I personally buy a Hunter? No, but I do feel that they can be the right boat for some and many happy Hunter owners are repeat buyers. My neighbor owned two and never had any structural problems with either and he was a repeat customer until buying an Island Packet for more extended cruising.

It's seems that you dislike me for some reason and you're entitled to that, and I have no qualms with that, but please, if you want to attack me personally do it via email and keep it between us; mainecruising@yahoo.com.

We don't need to be cluttering up the boards with entire threads based on a personal attack. If I have angered you somehow please, as I said, email me and we can discuss it like gentlemen...
 
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CalebD

Bentahuntalinas

Wow MS, you ARE brave, putting your email address out there when CapnRon could email you directly through this site to the email address linked in your 'profile'. I hope you don't get more spam than you are used to digesting. On the sailnut formum they warn you that spammers will pickup your web address if posted as wysiwyg.
CapnRon, er, Kurt Russel seems to have found a buried stash of rum or maybe I did for even replying here. I missed whatever pissed him off and should just kiss it good bye but I just had a few nice sails on the Chessie before a cold front passed through so I feel like I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express even though I probably smell a bit like a homeless person.
My friend down on the Chessie owned a 25' Hunter which I sailed on and seems to be a good boat for its size and compromises. I hear a lot of bitchin' about Hunters with their no after stay designs among other issues. I sailed on an older boat that seemed pretty good for what it was. Of course he sold it for an Endeavor 32' which is more fun and comfortable for doing overnights on. There are a lot of folks who love their Hunters and even MacGregor 26 owners who love their own boating compromises.
I was recently on a 51' Bendytoe for a 400+ nm delivery trip and while it is considered past its prime (as the newer generation takes the limelight) it seemed a pretty good ocean cruiser to me. I learned later that the very large salon with few hand holds can be dangerous in a bad seaway. I was lucky to have Joe average kind of conditions when I was on her short handed.
Another friend had a fairly recent model Catalinka 30 or 32 that he sailed on the LI Sound. They were out sailing and the rudder hit a rock and bent the rudder post. That particular design had the rudder sticking down a little farther than the fin keel. Yacht design or WTF?
I have an ancient Tartan 27' from 1967 which they don't and never will make again. It has issues as all boats do but I can live my compromises. Can you?
If I had to choose between an older Hans Christian and a Huntalina I would definitely go for the Hans Christian in a blink.
 
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Edward

Wow I don't get it

I just read the thread and there's some really great info in it for a new buyer. Why did Cap Ron take out his anger of Hunters out on this mane sailor person? This entire original post-thread tree makes no sense at all. It is hard to tell why it's even here in the first place. I thought mane sailor had some good info to add to Kevin's questions. So did many others. He also had a good explanation of that shaft collar thing that sank the Hunter.

Cap Ron count to ten and calm down or you will blow a gasket. I don't own a Hunter but have buddies that do an they have not had problems out of the ordinary. Yes they have annoying things like window leaks and stuff. My boat has leaks and is arguably put together better than a Hunter.

I think Cap Ron's post was over the top pointless and rude. There's rude people everywhere I guess here to.

Ed
 
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Ken

I don't get it either

One Hunter with a keel problem doesn't mean every one of them has a problem. When I bought my Hunter, the dealer had a newer 40' Hunter that the owner had bought back to the dealer. The owner had sailed the boat onto a shoal somewhere on Lake Michigan and had pounded the keel before the boat was pulled off the shoal to where the keel was practically unrecognizable as ever being something that belonged on the boat . There was no damage to the surrounding fiberglass (no stress cracks etc.) and the keel was still solidly attached to the boat. I think in Capn Rons case, this was a poorly maintained vessel and someone wasn't telling the whole story of the history of the vessel. Just my .02
 
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Nice N Easy

Capt Ron

Engine problems, bilge pump, fresh water pump, head. Tell me, which ones of these are made by Hunter. Engine was probably a Yanmar, is that a Hunter problem?
Bilge pump, a Rule perhaps. These things have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a Hunter boat, and every brand is used on hundreds of other boats. Why are some of the older Hunters priced equal to Hans Christians. Is it just possible that they might be good boats. Do you not think that if they were junk, owners would have to discount them greatly to get rid of them. Have you ever sailed a Cheribini Hunter.
 
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Ross

If the Hunter boat were an automobile

would you blame the maker for a flat tire? or a dead battery ? or a bad alternator? For lousy paint ? YES !! rusting sheet metal ? YES! Sorry upholstery? You bet! The wheels fall off? Damn Right!! Windows leak? Yup!
 
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