Hunter 260 close hauled trouble

Jan 19, 2010
12,606
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Dave makes a good point. The 26 and 260 were designed to sail well but also be VERY comfortable. Here is my take on the 26. The layout is excellent. It is a huge boat for only 26 feet. The aft berth is spacious and you can flip the cabin table around and make the v-berth HUGE. The enclosed head is nice also. I have cooked on my H26 and if it is not raining you can also set up a table in the cockpit. Table stows under the v-berth.

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The cockpit is also HUGE and just two weekends ago, I slept at anchor in my cockpit. No problems.

The H26 has very simple rigging. It is designed for the lazy sailor. You can lift the keel with the weakest of efforts. Rope clutches control the halyards and reefing is also a one line operation. There are no genoa cars nor is there a traveler. It seems to me that the compromises made were to create a decent sailing vessel that is easy and comfortable.

Mission accomplished. The H26/260 is very comfortable and outsails most other boats in light air. Above 12kts and you start to wrestle with the controls. I put my first reef in between 12 and 15 kts. At 15 I am rolling in some of the genoa. At 20, I'm stowing my sails and turning on the O.B. In my previous boat, I was comfortable in 25 to 30 on a regular basis.... but that boat was not a great boat for cruising because it was cramped and the control lines were much more complicated.

On the positive side of sailing characteristics.... the genoa blocks are farther inboard than any boat I have ever owned (I've owned a lot) and as a result, the Hunter points higher than I expected she would. When I use the tweak I showed in the earlier thread to bring the boom to mid-ship, I can even get the windvane inside the tabs. SHE POINTS VERY WELL!

With all of that being said, if you want to improve the sailing characteristics of the H26/260 my opinion is that a mechanism to bring the boom to mid-ship for upwind sailing helps (i.e. traveler or some other mechanism) and for reaching and off wind sailing, a mechanism for bringing the genoa sheets to the gunwale would help. I have been playing with a "reverse barber hauler" idea that does improve the reaching abilities but I don't have all of the bugs worked out yet and my lines get all tangled up. More on that in another post.
 
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Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
He was at the helm sailing off the wind by 15 degrees but performance greater if off the wind further.
IF you try to sail 15 degrees off the wind, you sails will be stalled, the boat will make no progress to wind and it will go into iirons and. It will cease to make progress to windward.

The “no go zone” is approximately 90 degrees wide for cruisers. That’s 45 degrees off tthe wind.


 
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Jan 19, 2010
12,606
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
That’s 45 degrees off tthe wind.
@DrJudyB I have my tabs on my windvane set at about 80 deg. and I can regularly get inside the tabs. So I think the H26, with the boom pulled to midship can sail 40 deg off the wind and still make decent headway.

BUT because the genoa blocks are so far inboard, the slot is pinched on a reach. That is why I have been playing with the reverse barber hauler idea. If you take the diagram you posted and put the Genoa in the close hauled position in that same position on the broad reach, .... That is what the H26 sail plan does on a reach. Drives me nuts. Next time I am out in a steady 10 kts breeze, I will shoot some short videos of the things I'm trying to describe.
 
Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
@rgranger

If you can sail at 45 degrees to the true wind, and can get to 5.5 kts of speed through the water, in 10 kts,of true wind speed, you’re doing quite well for a 26 foot cruiser.

But what you’re going to see at your windex and mast head wind instrument will show some thing different. The windex will show the apparent wind angle and apparent wind speed.

For example, a Benteau First 27.7 can do about 5.5 kts though the water in 10 kts of true wind at about 45 degrees off the true wind. The mast head windex will show an apparent angle of about 29 degrees off the wind, and an apparent wind speed reading of about 14.4 kts.

From

Windex Setup
Click Here for Calibration Method

Flag spacing:deg
Enter flag width:deg
Enter tail width:deg
Inputs
Enter angle of the wind:deg True Apparent
Wind Speed:knots True Apparent
Boat Speedknots
Computations
VMG to wind3.89
T Wind Direction45°
T Wind Speed10
Apparent Wind Speed14.4
Boat Speed5.5
Apparent Wind Direction29.4
TWS = AWS - BS *0.8
Boat speed as % of true wind speed55
VMG as % of true wind speed38.9
masthead fly


Click on graph to print out larger paper that you can plot other points on.

 
Jun 8, 2004
10,460
-na -NA Anywhere USA
I did not say speed but how far we went to the wind. I trusted Warren Luhrs on this one but you are correct the further away you gain speed. It was not speed but testing everything on this prototype. By the way we had a windex wind vane on the mast put there at Warren’s request using the bigger vane. I guess that vane and Warren were wrong. No way
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,606
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
@rgranger

If you can sail at 45 degrees to the true wind, and can get to 5.5 kts of speed through the water, in 10 kts,of true wind speed, you’re doing quite well for a 26 foot cruiser.
I can't go that fast when I'm hard on the wind. My boat tops out at about 5.8 on a broad reach. And you are correct. I was not thinking about apparent wind. However, I can get my windex inside of the tabs and for me.... I call that good enough.
 
Feb 22, 2019
5
Hunter 260 Little Sand Bay
Thanks again for all of your responses. I am one of those younger less experienced sailors that needs all the help I can get. I suspect that the traveler would not help as much as learning how to track the boat through the larger waves. I seam to be able to point fairly high and keep speed around the 5-6 knots in lighter winds and small waves. The problem came with how I handled the 260 in the 4'-5' waves.
I am thrilled with all of the responses and have lots more sailing to do to try out the many suggestions and see what helps me out.
The 260 is the perfect boat for my family. I need all of the room that it has, and yet I really need it to be trailer-able, which it does really well. There are not many boats that I have found that can fit these two criteria. So I will put in the time to learn how to sail it better close hauled. Wishing our sailing season was longer up here.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,606
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Thanks again for all of your responses. I am one of those younger less experienced sailors that needs all the help I can get. I suspect that the traveler would not help as much as learning how to track the boat through the larger waves. I seam to be able to point fairly high and keep speed around the 5-6 knots in lighter winds and small waves. The problem came with how I handled the 260 in the 4'-5' waves.
I am thrilled with all of the responses and have lots more sailing to do to try out the many suggestions and see what helps me out.
The 260 is the perfect boat for my family. I need all of the room that it has, and yet I really need it to be trailer-able, which it does really well. There are not many boats that I have found that can fit these two criteria. So I will put in the time to learn how to sail it better close hauled. Wishing our sailing season was longer up here.
Yep

Every boat is a compromise. The real trick is learning what you REALLY want out of a boat. I love my boat at anchor in a cove. I like being able to walk off of the transom for a swim. I love putting the table out in the cockpit, poring a scotch and watching the sun hit the horizon. I also watch a lot of NETFLIX on my phone while at anchor. A perfect evening. AND when the wind is between 5 and 10 kts, the H26 is a very decent sailboat. And for inland lake sailing, those conditions are more common than not.

Someday, I hope to sail to the Bahamas.... but it will probably be in a different boat.