How to stop false 100% battery status

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
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Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
I probably wouldn’t turn the charged voltage up any higher, since you’re already above Victron’s recommendation of being the float voltage.
I don't think this is correct. Victron's recommendation is to set the "charge voltage" 0.2-0.3V less than the absorption voltage. It is how I have ours configured.

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May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
I don't think this is correct. Victron's recommendation is to set the "charge voltage" 0.2-0.3V less than the absorption voltage. It is how I have ours configured.

Mark
I was going by section 5.7.1 of the manual at https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/SmartShunt/9172-Manual_BMV_and_SmartShunt-pdf-en.pdf, saying it should be the float voltage. Section 4.3.2 of the same manual says to set it to 13.2V. Mine is set to 13.1 and works fine.

Looking at the algorithm it seems like the important things are that it’s not so low that the battery reads as “charged” when there is no charging source at all, and that it’s not so high that the charger doesn’t get there when absorbing. That suggests that anything around the float voltage to a bit less that absorption should be fine. The tail current is probably the more important part of the trigger.
 
Jun 5, 2012
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Catalina 30 mkI Victoria, British Columbia
Well here's an interesting development!! From Costco today:

Hello Mike,

In response to your email,

  • the manufacturer of this battery is Trojan.
  • Charge Efficiency is 91%
  • Peukert coefficient (exponent) is 1.179


Thank you for contacting Costco,
 
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Johnb

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Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 37-cutter Richmond CA
Notwithstanding all the foregoing if you want your batteries to live long and prosper you need to

1 Make sure that they get fully charged and not left in a partial state of charge (PSOC)
2 Make sure the water does not get low. Check them regularly and develop a sense for what is needed.

Those flooded Trojans are robust. Mine are in their 7th year including 5 years of live aboard with solar power, and when they die I will almost certainly replace with like and go sailing.
 
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Those batts are not 91% efficient more like 80%. Peukert is closer to 1.3..

 
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Johann

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Jun 3, 2004
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Leopard 39 Pensacola
I was going by section 5.7.1 of the manual at https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/SmartShunt/9172-Manual_BMV_and_SmartShunt-pdf-en.pdf, saying it should be the float voltage. Section 4.3.2 of the same manual says to set it to 13.2V. Mine is set to 13.1 and works fine.

Looking at the algorithm it seems like the important things are that it’s not so low that the battery reads as “charged” when there is no charging source at all, and that it’s not so high that the charger doesn’t get there when absorbing. That suggests that anything around the float voltage to a bit less that absorption should be fine. The tail current is probably the more important part of the trigger.
Setting the “Charged voltage“ based on float voltage causes many systems to falsely synchronize early. I believe this recommendation by Victron is based on the assumption of a shore based charging system. They do address this issue in the troubleshooting section of the manual.

“10.3.11. Synchronisation issues

It is also possible that the battery monitor synchronises too early. This can happen in solar systems or in systems that have fluctuating charge currents. If this is the case change the following settings:
  • Increase the “charged voltage" to slightly below the absorption charge voltage. For example: 14.2V in case of 14.4V absorption voltage (for a 12V battery).
  • Increase the “charged detection time” and/or decrease the "tail current" to prevent an early reset due to passing clouds.”

Follow the FB groups for Solar on a Boat, or Lithium Batteries on a Boat, or the Victron Energy Users and you will see nearly weekly posts of someone complaining that their batteries are dead in the morning but the BMV/SmartShunt was showing 100% at sunset.
 
May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Setting the “Charged voltage“ based on float voltage causes many systems to falsely synchronize early. I believe this recommendation by Victron is based on the assumption of a shore based charging system. They do address this issue in the troubleshooting section of the manual.

“10.3.11. Synchronisation issues

It is also possible that the battery monitor synchronises too early. This can happen in solar systems or in systems that have fluctuating charge currents. If this is the case change the following settings:
  • Increase the “charged voltage" to slightly below the absorption charge voltage. For example: 14.2V in case of 14.4V absorption voltage (for a 12V battery).
  • Increase the “charged detection time” and/or decrease the "tail current" to prevent an early reset due to passing clouds.”

Follow the FB groups for Solar on a Boat, or Lithium Batteries on a Boat, or the Victron Energy Users and you will see nearly weekly posts of someone complaining that their batteries are dead in the morning but the BMV/SmartShunt was showing 100% at sunset.
Good point. Given where the OP’s float and absorption voltages are and the fact he has solar, increasing the charged voltage could be a good step.
 
Jun 5, 2012
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Catalina 30 mkI Victoria, British Columbia
Good point. Given where the OP’s float and absorption voltages are and the fact he has solar, increasing the charged voltage could be a good step.
Thank you all! Doing some more reading on this.... great thoughts and very appreciated.
RC - I've gone over pretty much everything you put out there... trying my best to follow it despite my limitations!! lol