How to mount a Force 10 2 burner stove

4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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I'm installing a gimballed 2 burner cooktop with this one. It's a Force 10, model 60100. Does anyone know how this mounts?
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I've just seen the style where a pin on the side of the stove rotates in this piece (below) that is mounted to the cabinet. But, in the example above, I'm not sure what all the metal bracketry is all about.

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Perhaps if the opening is too wide for the standard brackets and there is a shelf below, the extra metal is to mount the stove to the shelf and allow it to swing.
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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You screw this part
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onto the cabinets at the side of the space you plan to set the burner.

The burner then slides into the loop key hole in the middle of these plated. This allows the burners to pivot as your boat heals on pins that are on the sides of the burner.
 

4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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@jssailem this I know. The stove pictured above appears to have a different mounting approach. It doesn't just have a pin sticking out of the side that slots into the bracket mounted to the side of the cabinet.
 
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jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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Well, that is a bummer. My Force 10 over/grill installed very simply
Let me look at the manual.
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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I think the pivot point it either the screw at the top of that swing arm or they use the screw knob to hold the unit. You need a pin to rest in the bracket.

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dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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The circled tab is used so the the gimbled connection cannot slide out if the boat turtles. There can also be inertia of the stove to pop that out in correct wave conditions. It's a safety feature.

On your new stove, all that metal structure is to have a similar function I'd imagine. I would have to see how the stove gimbals and how all that structure can be attached allowing the stove to gimbal correctly. Hard to see from your pictures.

dj
 

4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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You could have taken your own advice. Had you read the manual before posting, you would have seen there is no information on mounting this type of bracket.

This is where someone should say…RTFM.

Greg
 
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4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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I think the pivot point it either the screw at the top of that swing arm or they use the screw knob to hold the unit. You need a pin to rest in the bracket.
These look like Origo instructions, and I agree it looks like this stove follows approach with the red areas mounted to the side of the cabinets and the pivot point above the stove.
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I suppose an alternate to this approach would be to do like this and remove these bracket arms and just use the pivot bolt (if I can source it) & small bracket approach that most Force 10's use. This would keep the stove more flush with the top of the countertop which I prefer.
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dLj

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These look like Origo instructions, and I agree it looks like this stove follows approach with the red areas mounted to the side of the cabinets and the pivot point above the stove.
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I suppose an alternate to this approach would be to do like this and remove these bracket arms and just use the pivot bolt (if I can source it) & small bracket approach that most Force 10's use. This would keep the stove more flush with the top of the countertop which I prefer.
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I'm not following quite how you are planning to do this. It sounds like you are moving the pivot location, that would change the ability for the stone to gimbal.

It looks like you need to find a fixation method at the connection points on the arms where you have the red dots on that arm. Are there any more bits that came with that stove not shown in your pictures?

It looks like those arms are meant to be fixed through those three holes. How to fix them is the dilemma. How to access those fixation points while mounting or removing the stove seems to be a question.

Some things come to mind:

1) put something like a carriage bolt in them with the heads sticking out and make a bracket they can slide into similar to the bracket you had with the circled tab. Having the three would keep that arm immobile - which you want.

2) Get the arms positioned correctly and simply screw through those holes into the structure where your stove goes. I imagine that's the original intent.

Also, bear in mind those arms could be mounted at any angle. They don't have to be straight down. They could be behind the stove, above the stove, pretty much anywhere. Once those three holes are secured to whatever, your stove will gimbal correctly.

Also bear in mind, you don't need a gimbaled stove. I know a number of sailors that have extensive travels that say that a fixed stove is fine. Some prefer it. Just a FYI.

dj
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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I think that would be the approach I would take. The stove suspended in the air, above the cabinet, feels off.

I note that Practical Sailor Mag liked the Force 10 stove.

Perhaps you are meant to use the three screw holes (marked with red dots) on the arms onto the cabinet. Then the stove gimbles on the attached arms. How much movement is there on the arms? Are they supposed to be horizontal instead of vertical?
 

4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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I don't have the stove in hand, yet. I'm looking at pictures myself, and trying to understand how it mounts before pulling the trigger.

It looks like you can simply screw the brackets into the sides of the cabinet at the red dots and it will gimbal at the blue dot. But, I don't like how the tops of the brackets are above the stove so if you want the stovetop to be level with the countertop, those brackets will stick up a few inches. And if you mount it down so the tops of the bracket are level with the countertop, then the stove is sitting a few inches below the countertop.

I could make it level with the countertop (my preference) if the mounting approach below is taken. Oddly, it came with the brackets (in green) for it. But I don't see the carriage bolts (also in green) which would need to be bolted to the sides of the stove. Maybe the carriage bolts are a part of the brackets that are currently on it so you have the two mounting options.
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jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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Looking again at the design image for the Model 60100.
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The purpose of the stand-up bracket design is so the "cooktop" can swing freely. There is an air gap between the countertop (if installed on a counter) and the bottom of the unit to prevent a fire. The brackets have feet in the diagram.

The unit in your pictures may be designed to attach the bracket horizontally to the cabinet. This would allow the cooktop to be suspended in the air above the countertop. Just a SWAG.

When I was working with the Force 10 stove in my boat, the instructions referred to a sheet shield or air gap between the sides of the stove and the cabinet. On my boat, stainless steel sheets protect the wood of the cabinets, plus an air gap separates the stove from the sides of the cabinets.
 
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4lane

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Sep 13, 2024
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@jssailem - thanks for your feedback. I see the diagram you show is an ENO stove with the feet on the bracket, and I get how this stand-up style can be mounted on top of a countertop so there is airspace above/below/sides.

You mention looking at a design image of this Force 10 model? The manual just says, "Please refer to separate diagram and installation instruction sheet for the mounting dimensions and procedures for your specific model of stove." Of course, I have never see this separate diagram and installation instruction sheet. Is this what you are referring to?
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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With a two burner stove with no oven below it, you won't get it to gimbal correctly by placing the pivot on the sides of the cooktop. Add on the pots used for cooking and you will have the food on the floor.

If you want that cook top, and you don't want to have those arms sticking above the stove, you have two options:

1) Make the cook top fixed - no gimbal
2) Build some kind of counter weight below the gimbal at the stove top to create the counter balance needed for the stove to gimbal correctly.

dj
 
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jssailem

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Perhpas it is time to contact Force 10. The item appears to have been replaced with newer designs.
 
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I don't have the stove in hand, yet. I'm looking at pictures myself, and trying to understand how it mounts before pulling the trigger.
@jssailem - You mention looking at a design image of this Force 10 model? The manual just says, "Please refer to separate diagram and installation instruction sheet for the mounting dimensions and procedures for your specific model of stove." Of course, I have never see this separate diagram and installation instruction sheet. Is this what you are referring to?
Perhpas it is time to contact Force 10. The item appears to have been replaced with newer designs.
@4lane
You apparently haven't contacted Force 10 aka ENO... or a dealer, for a copy of the official manual and installation info.

I am not sure why that wasn't your first action, as opposed to asking random sailors about a stove you haven't purchased that they would need to guess about.

That exactly what @Tally Ho meant when saying RTFM.
You could have taken your own advice. Had you read the manual before posting, you would have seen there is no information on mounting this type of bracket.
Not sure why @Tally Ho would spend his own time contacting the stove manufacturer for the correct manual, when you seemingly haven't.
 
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