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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 34 Oriental, NC
Windchaser Dehumidifier

I have been using one of these on my Hunter 34 for several months now. I modified it to drain into my vanity sink. Seems to work like a charm and it is small enough to tuck into the cabinet under the vanity when we take the boat out. I bought mine from e-bay, but not from this seller. Gary
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Dehumidifier Purchase Analysis

This fall I've been going though a purchase analysis for a dehumidifier for use on a boat in the Pacific Northwest. Not having dealt with dehumidifiers before this has been a real learning process. First, the optimum RH level to restrain growth of bacteria is going to be below 30% to 50%. Anything above this range may promote bacteria growth. In colder areas during the winter season the humidity level should be in the lower range to prevent condensation on ports, windows, or perhaps even the inside of the hull. Second, if the dehumidifier is to operate <65 F then an “anti-frost sensor” is needed to either turn the unit off or to kick in a defrost cycle. A low-temperature dehumidifier is one that can operate down to as low as 45-degrees F and will need a “hot-gas defrost” to combat icing. To combat bacteria and to keep from heating the boat too much the minimum requirement will be for a “low-temperature” unit. Third, the air inside my boat in Poulsbo in mid-December was 60 degrees F and 95% RH (!)(think I need one?). For use on a boat under these conditions, basically I’m looking for a dehumidifier that falls in the “for use in basements” category. Decision: After doing a fair amount of research of models, features, and prices, what I’ve decided on is either the Fedders Model No. A7DH45B2A which is available from Wal-Mart (ugh!) for $137 (Wal-Mart Item #: 001111421) or identically the same model – with one difference, the Maytag label, (made by Fedders), Model M7DH45B2A available from Home Depot for $189.00 http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=259928&cm_ven=1hd.com2froogle&cm_cat=product&cm_pla=feed&cm_ite=froogle ). Internet/Catalog # 259928, Store SKU# 242660 The “one difference” is the warranty. The Maytag brand carries a much longer warranty. Why opt for the longer warranty? After reading numerous consumer reviews, what I’ve learned is that humidifiers are "apparently" prone to failure. After talking to retailer sales people, repairmen, and factory sales people, it appears that the “failure” is actually in the consumer's ability to read, understand, and follow the instructions. Many - BUT NOT ALL - of the “faulty operating units” according to the people in the business are the result of faulty operators. Nevertheless, not being familiar with dehumidifiers I plan to opt for the more consevative route and the more expensive Maytag “for insurance” reasons. During the swing season I’ll just take if off the boat and store it in the dock box and in the summer I’ll take it home to get it away from the salt air environment. Since I haven’t actually purchased anything yet if anybody sees any holes in my reasoning please speak up. Otherwise when Home Depot has one of their storewide sales one of these units will be going out the door. Okay, any input?
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Dehumidifier Purchase Analysis

This fall I've been going though a purchase analysis for a dehumidifier for use on a boat in the Pacific Northwest. Not having dealt with dehumidifiers before this has been a real learning process. First, the optimum RH level to restrain growth of bacteria is going to be below 30% to 50%. Anything above this range may promote bacteria growth. In colder areas during the winter season the humidity level should be in the lower range to prevent condensation on ports, windows, or perhaps even the inside of the hull. Second, if the dehumidifier is to operate <65 F then an “anti-frost sensor” is needed to either turn the unit off or to kick in a defrost cycle. A low-temperature dehumidifier is one that can operate down to as low as 45-degrees F and will need a “hot-gas defrost” to combat icing. To combat bacteria and to keep from heating the boat too much the minimum requirement will be for a “low-temperature” unit. Third, the air inside my boat in Poulsbo in mid-December was 60 degrees F and 95% RH (!)(think I need one?). For use on a boat under these conditions, basically I’m looking for a dehumidifier that falls in the “for use in basements” category. Decision: After doing a fair amount of research of models, features, and prices, what I’ve decided on is either the Fedders Model No. A7DH45B2A which is available from Wal-Mart (ugh!) for $137 (Wal-Mart Item #: 001111421) or identically the same model – with one difference, the Maytag label, (made by Fedders), Model M7DH45B2A available from Home Depot for $189.00 http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=259928&cm_ven=1hd.com2froogle&cm_cat=product&cm_pla=feed&cm_ite=froogle ). Internet/Catalog # 259928, Store SKU# 242660 The “one difference” is the warranty. The Maytag brand carries a much longer warranty. Why opt for the longer warranty? After reading numerous consumer reviews, what I’ve learned is that humidifiers are "apparently" prone to failure. After talking to retailer sales people, repairmen, and factory sales people, it appears that the “failure” is actually in the consumer's ability to read, understand, and follow the instructions. Many - BUT NOT ALL - of the “faulty operating units” according to the people in the business are the result of faulty operators. Nevertheless, not being familiar with dehumidifiers I plan to opt for the more consevative route and the more expensive Maytag “for insurance” reasons. During the swing season I’ll just take if off the boat and store it in the dock box and in the summer I’ll take it home to get it away from the salt air environment. Since I haven’t actually purchased anything yet if anybody sees any holes in my reasoning please speak up. Otherwise when Home Depot has one of their storewide sales one of these units will be going out the door. Okay, any input?
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Hi John, happy holidays. Several points;

1. You seem to have a 'dehumidifier' mind set. Why not just install a small heater. Same result, right? OK fire danger is higher, but you need power either way with the unit you are contemplating, don't you? 2. Walmart, Ugh. right on. They are going to destroy Poulsbo if we don't stop the bastards. 3. A Home Depot sale? What's that?
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Hi John, happy holidays. Several points;

1. You seem to have a 'dehumidifier' mind set. Why not just install a small heater. Same result, right? OK fire danger is higher, but you need power either way with the unit you are contemplating, don't you? 2. Walmart, Ugh. right on. They are going to destroy Poulsbo if we don't stop the bastards. 3. A Home Depot sale? What's that?
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Fred Ficarra - Merry CHRISTMAS

Currently there are three heater devices on board (HL-35): 1-ea 25W GoldenRod 2-ea 130W Air-Dryr®s "AIR-DRYR 1000" The GoldenRod is good for up to 500 cf and the Air Dryers are for up to 1000 cf each. The inside is kept warm enough but the humidity as measured by a gauge is way too high. [the Air-Dryer line was just bought out by Davis Instrument co. and all the tooling is on trucks headed from Washington to Southern Cal :( ] The bilge is dry due to PSS shaft seal, there are no water leaks anywhere, and there is no "mildew smell" anywhere so the deck is reasonably tight. Yet, in the spring there is a mildew problem here and there. One of the reasons for the mildew problems is the humidity. The electric driers keep things warm and it a dry heat but, for some reason, the humidity is too high. If anything, the heaters, by raising the inside temperature, may actually make the conditions worse for combating mildew and better for growing stuff! Hence - the dehumidifier! The solution to all my problems! :) Wal-Mart: too late to stop them. Always low prices - import everything from China! Home Depot: The prices are retail but don't these big box stores have a 10% off sale somwhere about this time of year? At least Eagle Hardware used to.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Fred Ficarra - Merry CHRISTMAS & Happy New Year!

Currently there are three heater devices on board (HL-35): 1-ea 25W GoldenRod 2-ea 130W Air-Dryr®s "AIR-DRYR 1000" The GoldenRod is good for up to 500 cf and the Air Dryers are for up to 1000 cf each. The inside is kept warm enough but the humidity as measured by a gauge is way too high. [the Air-Dryer line was just bought out by Davis Instrument co. and all the tooling is on trucks headed from Washington to Southern Cal :( ] The bilge is dry due to PSS shaft seal, there are no water leaks anywhere, and there is no "mildew smell" anywhere so the deck is reasonably tight. Yet, in the spring there is a mildew problem here and there. One of the reasons for the mildew problems is the humidity. The electric driers keep things warm and it a dry heat but, for some reason, the humidity is too high. If anything, the heaters, by raising the inside temperature, may actually make the conditions worse for combating mildew and better for growing stuff! Hence - the dehumidifier! The solution to all my problems! :) Wal-Mart: too late to stop them. Always low prices - import everything from China! Home Depot: The prices are retail but don't these big box stores have a 10% off sale somwhere about this time of year? At least Eagle Hardware used to.
 

Ivan

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May 17, 2004
234
Hunter 356 Solomons MD
John and Fred:

Hi guys. Have been following the thread and I have a question: Since I live in Virginia and the winter temperatures on the Bay are usually well below freezing, down to 10-20 deg at night and rarely get above 32 during the days in Jan and Feb, aren't the only solutions for me heaters, at least during winter? Ivan Bekey H356 #157 "Victoria"
 

Ivan

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May 17, 2004
234
Hunter 356 Solomons MD
John and Fred:

Hi guys. Have been following the thread and I have a question: Since I live in Virginia and the winter temperatures on the Bay are usually well below freezing, down to 10-20 deg at night and rarely get above 32 during the days in Jan and Feb, aren't the only solutions for me heaters, at least during winter? Ivan Bekey H356 #157 "Victoria"
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Ivan

As far as I know, yes. I had no idea VA was that cold! It's only frosted here a couple times since November. John, back in the 70s a company that made propane heaters, (Remotron, remember those) claimed that raising the cabin temperature to 70 degrees (f) would reduce the humidity 50%. Those guys are history but as far as I've observed the figures are still accurate. John, I wouldn't hesitate a second getting a safe, well made small space-heater into my boat if I were you. Watch out for the usual stuff, like keeping flammable materials away from it and keep it on the floor to prevent tipping. (I've noticed the seas are pretty high in Poulsbo :)) I bought a couple of ceramic heaters from HD last year. The price was about $30 for two of them! And they have tip-over switches. But I found that I only needed one of them on LOW to heat my boat to the mid 70s at this time of the year. My buddy has a built-in electric heater that's been there since he he bought his boat 13 years ago and it still works like mine to keep his boat cozy at dockside. I've never been a fan of those little Goldenrods and similar dehumidifiers. I think they became popular because energy prices were high in the 70s and space heaters were dangerous back then. In those days I left the ships furnace on. (diesel) You might as well throw it away the next year if it's an Espar. Mine was shot. A $15 electric heater is a lot more economical.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Ivan

As far as I know, yes. I had no idea VA was that cold! It's only frosted here a couple times since November. John, back in the 70s a company that made propane heaters, (Remotron, remember those) claimed that raising the cabin temperature to 70 degrees (f) would reduce the humidity 50%. Those guys are history but as far as I've observed the figures are still accurate. John, I wouldn't hesitate a second getting a safe, well made small space-heater into my boat if I were you. Watch out for the usual stuff, like keeping flammable materials away from it and keep it on the floor to prevent tipping. (I've noticed the seas are pretty high in Poulsbo :)) I bought a couple of ceramic heaters from HD last year. The price was about $30 for two of them! And they have tip-over switches. But I found that I only needed one of them on LOW to heat my boat to the mid 70s at this time of the year. My buddy has a built-in electric heater that's been there since he he bought his boat 13 years ago and it still works like mine to keep his boat cozy at dockside. I've never been a fan of those little Goldenrods and similar dehumidifiers. I think they became popular because energy prices were high in the 70s and space heaters were dangerous back then. In those days I left the ships furnace on. (diesel) You might as well throw it away the next year if it's an Espar. Mine was shot. A $15 electric heater is a lot more economical.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Ivan

Ivan - first off, let it be known that I'm no biologist, although through the years I've accumulated some knowledge about the importance of protecting wildlife - but this has nothing to do with that 'stuff' that takes up residence inside our boats. The cold temperatures you have are both an asset and a hindrance. An asset because 'stuff' doesn't grow well at those low temperatures and a hindrance because budget-type dehumidifiers don't work. To know what needs to be done you have to know what the RH is. On our boat we've got a Speedtech Electronic Barometer SM-8 with full pressure trend and hygrometer. It's a discontinued model but handy for RH reading. See their web site at http://www.speedtech.com/asp/default.asp From what I've found, if your RH is below 30% there shouldn't be anything/much to worry about. Doesn't the east coast have a low RH during the winters? If you're above 30% RH with those temperatures then maybe crystals like those used in Dri-Z-Air would suffice. For greater moisture removal there is equipment I've found that will work down to 33-degrees F, such as the British manufactured dehumidifiers made by Ebac at : http://www.ebac.com/ Be forewarned, though, due to the dollars worth(lessness), a small unit will run in the $800 to $950 US. Even so, the whole life-cycle picture should be looked at, that is, initial cost operating cost. When buying any equipment like this it would pay to check the on-line consumer reviews, and not just those by the company that's selling the unit. I’ve got a small 12V fan that I’m going to connect to a power block (one of those 110v AC to 12vDC things) to provide some air movement. I used to have a large home fan but it’s too cumbersome. Hi Fred - hey, I want to apologize for the way my last post may have come across. This season I've got a tad upset with the 'Happy Holidays' bit that the politicians and some others are giving us. Christmas isn’t there to provide winter support for business – it’s just a coincidence that it does, and my wife ensures that I know the real reason Christmas exists. The next thing will be that the government will take Christmas away as a national holiday for fear of offending some other religion.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Ivan & Fred

Ivan - first off, let it be known that I'm no biologist, although through the years I've accumulated some knowledge about the importance of protecting wildlife - but this has nothing to do with that 'stuff' that takes up residence inside our boats. The cold temperatures you have are both an asset and a hindrance. An asset because 'stuff' doesn't grow well at those low temperatures and a hindrance because budget-type dehumidifiers don't work. To know what needs to be done you have to know what the RH is. On our boat we've got a Speedtech Electronic Barometer SM-8 with full pressure trend and hygrometer. It's a discontinued model but handy for RH reading. See their web site at http://www.speedtech.com/asp/default.asp From what I've found, if your RH is below 30% there shouldn't be anything/much to worry about. Doesn't the east coast have a low RH during the winters? If you're above 30% RH with those temperatures then maybe crystals like those used in Dri-Z-Air would suffice. For greater moisture removal there is equipment I've found that will work down to 33-degrees F, such as the British manufactured dehumidifiers made by Ebac at : http://www.ebac.com/ Be forewarned, though, due to the dollars worth(lessness), a small unit will run in the $800 to $950 US. Even so, the whole life-cycle picture should be looked at, that is, initial cost + operating cost. When buying any equipment like this it would pay to check the on-line consumer reviews, and not just those by the company that's selling the unit. I’ve got a small 12V fan that I’m going to connect to a power block (one of those 110v AC to 12vDC things) to provide some air movement. I used to have a large home fan but it’s too cumbersome. Hi Fred - hey, I want to apologize for the way my last post may have come across. This season I've got a tad upset with the 'Happy Holidays' bit that the politicians and some others are giving us. Christmas isn’t there to provide winter support for business – it’s just a coincidence that it does, and my wife ensures that I know the real reason Christmas exists. The next thing will be that the government will take Christmas away as a national holiday for fear of offending some other religion.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
What's this country coming to when

someone has to apologize for Holiday cheer? :( I know, same to you John! :)
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
What's this country coming to when

someone has to apologize for Holiday cheer? :( I know, same to you John! :)
 
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