Sorry. I have fixed up 5 boats and that one is not worth starting. I am going to stick with my original comment. Yup. Part it out. You should get more than your investment. Too many good boats you can afford after parting out.
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Your pictures? Are you related to the OP?
I think we are being trolled. Maybe the cute logon contributes to my conclusion.
Geoff,
My boat was in decent shape and being a 1987 model, had many of the improvements that people install on their early C22 series boats.
I bought it last spring.
So far, I have spent as much on it, as it originally cost me.
I have above average DIY skills, and a shop full of tools.
I still haven't sailed it.
You live in Florida...
There are a bazillion boats that you can buy that will get you out on the water faster, and cost you LESS money to get there.
Especially so, since it's likely that the plywood that is encapsulated in the hull of that C22, is likely rotted in more places than just the mast step.
This is a friendly, supportive forum. The members here don't say these things lightly, nor do we say it to be mean.
Good luck with the quest.
P.S. If you do decide to go down the rabbit hole, and you enjoy spending more time working on a boat and spending money on it, than you do sailing, feel free to read the refit threads here, and ask for any help you need.
The knowledge you need is here, to get the boat sailing again, but doing so will have a large cost in both time and money. Even though the help and advice is free.
Who knows, maybe someone local to you, can come see the hull and see if that is, at least, not rotted internally.
My boat was in decent shape and being a 1987 model, had many of the improvements that people install on their early C22 series boats.
I bought it last spring.
So far, I have spent as much on it, as it originally cost me.
I have above average DIY skills, and a shop full of tools.
I still haven't sailed it.
You live in Florida...
There are a bazillion boats that you can buy that will get you out on the water faster, and cost you LESS money to get there.
Especially so, since it's likely that the plywood that is encapsulated in the hull of that C22, is likely rotted in more places than just the mast step.
This is a friendly, supportive forum. The members here don't say these things lightly, nor do we say it to be mean.
Good luck with the quest.
P.S. If you do decide to go down the rabbit hole, and you enjoy spending more time working on a boat and spending money on it, than you do sailing, feel free to read the refit threads here, and ask for any help you need.
The knowledge you need is here, to get the boat sailing again, but doing so will have a large cost in both time and money. Even though the help and advice is free.
Who knows, maybe someone local to you, can come see the hull and see if that is, at least, not rotted internally.
Thanks Roy, time to sail is very cool indeed but timing, I guess as in how long until you can sail, is sometimes relevant or irrelevant. I am not looking at this as any type of investment as to how much I can get for it when I'm tired of it. It costs what it costs and hopefully there is enjoyment along the way.
The "cute" intro was in anticipation of some of that fun along the way. Sorry if you feel I'm not serious enough for you. At my age life is getting shorter faster and you need to enjoy it more before it is over cuz once it is, it is!
I will keep posting on my progress though and searching for those refit threads.
Thanks
Geoff
The "cute" intro was in anticipation of some of that fun along the way. Sorry if you feel I'm not serious enough for you. At my age life is getting shorter faster and you need to enjoy it more before it is over cuz once it is, it is!
I will keep posting on my progress though and searching for those refit threads.
Thanks
Geoff
Geoff, My comment was directed at JacksOffSailing. I don't think you are trolling us, and I wish you the best of luck with the boat.
@JacksOffSailing - My apologies. Now that I see your thread about YOUR boat, I recognize that the second line of post #19 was a reference to that endeavor. Welcome to the forum, both of you. I think you will find it a place full of helpful information, and helpful people.
@JacksOffSailing - My apologies. Now that I see your thread about YOUR boat, I recognize that the second line of post #19 was a reference to that endeavor. Welcome to the forum, both of you. I think you will find it a place full of helpful information, and helpful people.
Bought...Traded my atv for my 76 back in May. Was going to get it going in "two weeks". Now hoping to be in the water over Labor day weekend. I've had too much "while I'm at it" going on with my refit. Good Luck and welcome to the club!
Thanks. My timetable is not quite so ambitious as even this fall. Actually i have no timetable to speak of just pluggin along getting one thing done as i can afford it. The only real priority is finding the correct keel for my boat for less than Catalina Yachts wants to sell me one for($2437 plus between $350-$550 shipping). However at the moment i am rather short in funds so it is a waiting game for now.
Geoff
Geoff
Try Ebay. This one is available right now and they are willing to ship (a rare thing for something this big and heavy). http://www.ebay.com/itm/CATALINA-22...ash=item5685efb330:g:EqoAAOSwubRXJkG4&vxp=mtr
There are several rudder blades on there as well.
There are several rudder blades on there as well.
Geoff not to be evil here I am the fellow that has 2 keels on EBAY for a cat 22 unless you really enjoy the work and expense which will be in 5 to 10 k range part it out I have to tell you these are hard to part out let alone fix the 2 catalina 22s I have cut up for parts were in better shape than yours in the photo better yet be patient watch craigs list a 22 will pop up cheap the last 1 I bought his wife said me or boat get it gone!!!! Would love to sell you a keel but would advise sell trailer not for a 22 anyway buy sawzall and several extra blades you should be able to get your money back at this point. there are a lot of very nice catalina 22s out there in 4 to 5k range in great condition on the correct trailer Mike
Hey Mike, thanks for the advice. I do enjoy the work however not on the scale of Cloud Diver. I don't plan on spending 10k on it for sure, but a few bucks to bring it into a usable condition shouldn't be a bad thing. I still want to talk to you about that keel though. I will probably call you tomorrow.
Geoff
Geoff
I was fortunate with my find. Initially with mine it looked like death warmed over. See my post on the 76 Cleaning and Refurbishing... but once cleaned, underneath all the muck was a solid foundation. Some surface cracks in the gelcoat but a solid core. I will need to redo the keel but that can wait until winter. It's taken most of the summer (mainly due to the heat here) but I'm hoping to put her in over Labor Day weekend.
Yes, I am finding out as I clean things up that it is not as bad as I originally thought. Compared to some of the ones I am reading about on this forum, mine is looking better and better all the time. The hull seems sound as in I haven't found any holes or cracks that would suggest it is not seaworthy. There aren't any soft spots in the decking that I have found yet suggesting any rot in the coring locations. Standing rigging is in usable condition. Jib halyard, jib sheet and main sheet needs replacing. Once I purchase a keel for it and the needed hardware associated with the lifting system the main part of the work could be done. After that it is no worse off than anyone elses boat.
It is more and more a learning tool that I will give a chance to to see if becomes something worth keeping, and I don't mean worth as in dollars and cents but rather satisfying to work on and to sail on. Problem solving to keep ones mind active, physical work to keep ones body active and satisfying to ones imagination and desires. I'm still looking her over and trying to evaluate what I am seeing and eventually put together a rough timeline if that is at all possible. yes I am very encouraged by the tales of woe and the successes I read on this forum. So here we go.
Geoff
It is more and more a learning tool that I will give a chance to to see if becomes something worth keeping, and I don't mean worth as in dollars and cents but rather satisfying to work on and to sail on. Problem solving to keep ones mind active, physical work to keep ones body active and satisfying to ones imagination and desires. I'm still looking her over and trying to evaluate what I am seeing and eventually put together a rough timeline if that is at all possible. yes I am very encouraged by the tales of woe and the successes I read on this forum. So here we go.
Geoff
That's the big thing IMO.
@spartacus99 actually had ants living in his boat due to rot in the stingers.
He gently sailed it, spending quality time with his family, until he got deployed.
Catalina was out of their mind to use wood coring below the waterline.
They stopped that when the came out with the New Style C22 in the mid 80's.
The keel isn't such an bad thing other than cost of getting one.
That's simply because you'd likely end up refurbishing it anyhow.
At this age, almost all of the C22's need their keel hardware replaced and their keels refinished.
If you enjoying working on boats, the C22, and other similar sized sailboats, ARE a good project.
And once you get out on the water in a sailboat, most people are hooked for life.
Even small ones are more expensive than people expect, but nowhere near as much money and work as a big keelboat.
The world if full of shattered dream keelboats sitting in yards, where the owners have given up, due to unreal expectations. Too much time spent staring at photos of the BVIs instead of spending time with a calculator or spreadsheet.
FWIW: My C22 is sitting around 8k USD (purchase, delivery and refit) so far.
When I owned my 1957 Alberg Sea Sprite 23 I did alot of that only instead of the BVI's it was Block Island, Marthas Vineyard and the Maine coast. I understand the possiblities of a long drawn out project and I'm good with that. Bikes, boats, dragsters whatever, we all face the possibility of our own dreams getting smashed. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it. I have before and I will again.
Geoff
Geoff
Keep on keeping on, truly is the deal. A dream or plan doesn't die out, unless you quit.
As you say, the project itself can be rewarding in spite of the rational cost calculations.
I'm $15,000 into a frame up restoration of a 1990 pickup that will never be worth what it's costing me.
Next time I'll just buy someone else's finished restored vehicle, but I don't regret the money invested in the truck I'm restoring. At least not yet. hehe.
I've learned a lot in the process of restoring boats, cars, houses, doing landscaping etc. The only bad thing IMO is that friends don't just ask to borrow my truck now.
What did you think of the Sea Sprite ? There was one up on Lake Winnipeg years ago, and I love traditional boats. Was yours the weekender or daysailer version ?
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