H240 Mainsail and boom

Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
You are essentially right. It's also if you go overboard, and it makes tacking easier, and when reaching you keep just a little counter lift below the water so you drift leeward less.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
RGranger, I assume that what you mean about weather helm being safer is that the boat will automatically round up if it begins to broach the water and it is less likely to be trapped on a lee shore. Am I right?
If you have some weather helm and a gust knocks you on your side as soon as the rudder losses it’s bite you will round up. It will feel chaotic and the sails will make a lot of noise as they luff but overall no harm other than a stain in your shorts. Conversely with lee helm, when your rudder losses it’s bite you will broach with your sails full. If you are unable to release the sails (and if you are hanging on for dear life— likely) you are in for a bad time. The safest way for a cruising boat is just a little bit of weather helm. A racer wants a balanced helm so you are not dragging your rudder.
 
Apr 14, 2018
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Hunter 240 San Diego
Thanks again. Now I understand. I think my H240 has a weather helm because the following video shows that it will automatically round-up when broaching. Watch:
 
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Jun 8, 2004
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Too much wind the mainsail should have been reefed with jib in partially furled in. Key with the Hunter water ballast boats for sail control with no more than 12-14 heel. Also did Not help with that bag up. I use to race the 240 quite well in all type of winds
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
Will, I don't quite see the CE and CLR designated on the drawing. The CLR is the geometric center (at the cross hairs). Right? Can you describe to me what I should be looking for to distinguish the location of the CE's on the drawing? I also pulled up the original drawing from sailboatdata.com but it is no better quality.
As Will said, the CE is denoted by the cross hairs in that drawing. If it is forward of the center of the keel, you will have lee helm. If it is aft of the keel center, you will have weather helm. As was said, the balance changes with point of sail & heel.

In the case of this particular boat, you can also change the CE/CR balance by adjusting the keel. If you raise it partially, the center line of the keel moves aft & moves you towards having more lee helm. Raising the keel partially will increase keel drag & side slip, so there is a cost to doing this, but if you are out for a fun sail & don't want to have to yank on the tiller so hard all the time, a small keel adjustment can sometimes help you get that. Don't overdo it. Lee helm is dangerous. Keep some weather helm.

On a boat with a fixed keel, you need to adjust the sails to balance the helm. If you look at the hulls of very old square rigged ships, you may notice that the rudder is quite small. It was not really used for steering the boat in the same way that modern rudders do, it was only used for trimming things in a bit. The real steering was done by adjusting the sail plan. If the combination of sails was not chosen correctly, the rudder would not have enough influence to turn the ship. More head sail = more lee helm. More sail area aft of the keel center = more weather helm.
 
Apr 14, 2018
72
Hunter 240 San Diego
Yes, I believe it was just a demonstration video to show how the H240 would automatically round-up during a broach.
 
Apr 14, 2018
72
Hunter 240 San Diego
JimNPB, did you send a video? Did not see any link after you stated "watch this."
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
JimNPB, did you send a video? Did not see any link after you stated "watch this."
I was just replying to Kermit's comment of "hold my beer". I was turning it into "hold my beer & watch this", which is a comment that has preceded many interesting events. I did not have a video to contribute this time around. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
Apr 14, 2018
72
Hunter 240 San Diego
JimInPB, thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that phrase in my hip pocket! Didn't know it was a figure of speech:):)
If you can tilt the mast with a weight while sailing under a bridge, you've got exceptional talent and bravery!
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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JimInPB, thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that phrase in my hip pocket! Didn't know it was a figure of speech:):)
If you can tilt the mast with a weight while sailing under a bridge, you've got exceptional talent and bravery!
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Jun 8, 2004
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Sailed and sold too many of the waterbsllast boats and do not recommend any weight hoisted up for this style sailboat. I was the top dealer for the 240
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
@JimInPB
Sailed and sold too many of the waterbsllast boats and do not recommend any weight hoisted up for this style sailboat. I was the top dealer for the 240
I was not making that recommendation. Sorry if it sounded that way. Thanks for checking that others didn't take what I said as a recommendation to do that.

The weight in the video was apparently put there to make the boat do undesirable things, to prove the righting abilities of the boat. It's kind of like a guy wearing rubber gloves, then sticking his fingers in an electrical outlet to prove that the gloves work. Sticking your fingers in a live socket would not be recommended by me, even with gloves on.

The trick that I pulled to get the boat under the bridge, worked on a similar principle, but was rigged differently. It was a stable rig that involved 2 boats & 2 competent captains.
 
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